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apple "security" prevents and prohibits repair...
by Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton 05 Oct '18

05 Oct '18

https://hardware.slashdot.org/story/18/10/05/0142226/apples-new-proprietary… *sigh* and tim cook bless him is talking about privacy... it's as if noone listens to him, even inside apple itself...

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Wikipedia policy change, list might care about
by Jean Flamelle 29 Sep '18

29 Sep '18

I wrote a proposal for a major policy change, which establishes conditions for acceptable conditions to cite a primary or biased secondary source. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(proposals)#Wikipedia,…. Once in the past, Luke had trouble with a wikipedia article on EOMA that got user-ified, because rigorous news coverage for eoma lacked. Luke definitely noted a little known hypocrisy on wikipedia, which stems from the official policy lagging with the convention on wikipedia on general exceptions to reliability. Since Luke came off as a special interest, perhaps undue scrutiny came about and the rulebook got thrown around a bit. I didn't read to deeply into the conversations back then and I got inspired to write this proposal from my experience learning wikipedia by reading the rules first before editing, noticing many potential caveats, and arguing around the rules too effectively and realizing I would only need to push criticisms and loopholes for probably about a month of pointless back-and-forth on already made points before letting it sink in that otherwise unreliable sources give credible information in this case, for transparent or inferrable reasons. -- CC0

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libre-riscv.org 3d gpu project
by Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton 27 Sep '18

27 Sep '18

long story, there's a new project underway which is to create a 3D GPU (and associated complete processor) entirely as a libre project, using RISC-V as the basis. there's a lot to get done: the roadmap is quite straightforward: http://libre-riscv.org/3d_gpu/roadmap/ it'll be a vulkan3d *software* driver written in rust and using llvm. where and if absolutely strictly necessary intrinsic inline assembler will be placed into the rust code: for the rest it will be straight to llvm, and from there using a hardware-level parallelism API called "SimpleV" which will take care of, at the hardware level, a variable-length "vectorisation" aka variable-size SIMD (which is a really *really* misleading way to describe it but SIMD and vectorisation is what most people know). for the most part this is a *software* project not a hardware one so if anyone has software engineering skills, documentation skills or anything else, do get in touch. mailing lists: http://lists.libre-riscv.org l.

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Microdesktop v1.7
by Richard Wilbur 25 Sep '18

25 Sep '18

By the way, what is the status of the microdesktop design v1.7? Have you already invested in parts (specifically the 2x10 header) and/or circuit boards?

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Oscilloscope or bust?
by David Niklas 23 Sep '18

23 Sep '18

Hi, I need help here. I was designing the power supply of my laptop and I noticed that some power bucks and step up/down converters (Which both seem to do the same thing. Please tell me otherwise.), produced a more stable power supply than others. In order to find out if they are truly suitable for suppling power to sensitive electronics I've heard that I need an oscilloscope. I currently own: 1. #222634543946 "DC-DC 10/12/15/20A 150/250/300/400/1200W Step up Step down Buck Boost Converter" 2. #152710861245 "2A DC Boost Step-up Adjustable Converter Module 3v-24v to 3.3v 5v 6v 9v 12v 24v" After learning that some guy with an oscilloscope reviewed these, I'm planning to get: #122923215542 "6 Pack MP1584EN ultra Small DC-DC 3A power Step-Down Adjustable Module Buck M2H3 6 Pack MP1584EN ultra Small DC-DC 3A power Step-Down Adjustable Module Buck" I've seen many oscilloscopes online on crowd funding campaigns. I've never been certain of which to get, if any. The real professional ones are out of my budget range of about $100. *I'll pay more if I must*, but I already did not anticipate the need to actually evaluate what should be solid products. I probably should find a solid adjustable DC power supply to test these with vs. an old laptop power pack or some batteries. What I need some of these things to do is to take a dynamically variable voltage as input (Li-Ion batteries in series), and produce a constant voltage as output. Others I need to just convert to the correct voltage from the old laptop power pack. Thanks! David

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Re: [Arm-netbook] Logos
by John Luke Gibson 22 Sep '18

22 Sep '18

I would highly recommend avoiding any logos, without proper historical reference. One of the problems with traditional Linux icons, are that they are very un-iconic. It's better to be textually based, in my opinion, than to use disorienting imagery. At this point, most of the clay has already set so referencing/alluding-to other gnu projects [such as blender] wouldn't be detrimental, however ascii has a very richer history of use by "hacktivists". Referencing some historically relevant (to "hacktivism") ascii iconography either overtly or subtly, kindof more or less as a hat tip to communities which support said historical events will cause the logo a greater likelihood of being regarded as iconic. I wish I had specific examples, but possibly using cloister black font would be a subtle hat tip to anonymous for some individuals use of various letters in that font as copy-cat of L from Death Note. Another thing of note, would be that we need to be careful who we tip our hats to, to be careful of who in the future people might assume us to endorse. A font is innocuous enough, that it can be adapted later due to circumstance (should a need arise to disassociate) without damaging the recognize-ability of any logo. The universal and modular style of blender, is a good point to mimic. A solid dot in the center of the "O" would probably be a subtle enough correlation to the blender logo. This is the pattern of thinking we need in developing logos and "slogans". Thinking about what sounds catchy only correlates us with random corporate culture. We don't need to be entirely original as we have a history to fall back on. However originality might also help distinguish us from our predecessors, the last thing we want is to fail to distinguish ourselves from your neighborhood corporation. I would recommend Luke to contact Wenqing Yang a.k.a. "Yummei", using the notability of the project to attract their attention. I would like to point out that despite being a cultural figure (famous artist) in the hacktivist community they previously lauched a multi-million dollar successful indiegogo which caused them much heart ache (per their blog) over legal controversy with so-called partners and their personal admonishment that they failed to do enough. >From: Alexander Ross <maillist_arm-netbook(a)aross.me> >To: Linux on small ARM machines <arm-netbook(a)lists.phcomp.co.uk> >Cc: >Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2017 16:07:15 +0000 >Subject: Re: [Arm-netbook] Logos >this all these efforts, got me to have a play around too. :) > > i was started having a go at one idea of letters inserting into each > other kinda like a module. > > I had put E and O in side the M. it then kinda looked like/spelled Meoo > like a cat. > So what about a darn cat logo? maybe a cat playing with a eoma68 card in > its paws? > > sry for the yet another internet cat image type of suggestion, never > thought id be making one heh.

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Re: [Arm-netbook] Logos
by John Luke Gibson 21 Sep '18

21 Sep '18

> The idea about a dot in the "O" of EOMA made me think of fonts where the > dot is in the 0 (zero) to distinguish it from O (capital letter O) As we > all are somehow computer related I would find such a design confusing. If it was really to be in honor of the modularity and progress of blender, one would want to make the "O" not really in any particular font, but to look exactly the shape blender logo, except without the flay or the color scheme: a perfect solid-color circle within another perfect circle. It wouldn't theoretically be confusing because the mark you are thinking of is a hollow circle in an oval. Letter-o'es and zeroes can only sometimes be confusing because in some fonts they are both written as vertical ovals, not just the zero. I'm not sure on the required dimensions of a certification mark, however, the solid-shape flag-esque convention I've noticed among popular one's, often seems to detract from the continuity of the design on the objects that bear them, making them seem particularly foreign and like they don't belong. The vaporwave-esque color palate which most of them choose only add to this affect, as if they themselves are trying to distance themselves on some subconscious level from their endorsements. As a side effect to this, it makes them harder to trust. Any symbolism of any significant body, displays historical awareness.. It's what tells people whether they can trust it, before reading or attempting to judge it. Therein lies the axiom, there is no such thing as an original thought, so, if by means of arbitrary work dedicated to make more concise and thoroughly plastered an announcement of what historical or cultural event may have inspired such thoughts and such work, people will then engage in the arbitrarily difficult work of judging whether the project is sincere or not. In other words, if we don't display more than necessary effort in our symbol that can be recognized with several magnitudes less effort than it took to generate, then no highly-self-valuing person will have any sane reason to take us seriously, because if they took every slightly promising project, which failed to create a Sybil-certificate reputation in this manner, then they would never find a single valuable project in their lifetime (obviously this is an exaggeration).

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So this is kind of interesting, I thought...
by Christopher Havel 18 Sep '18

18 Sep '18

https://hackaday.com/2018/09/17/a-1-linux-capable-hand-solderable-processor/ A (barely) hand-solderable Linux-able ARM SoC. US$1 each if you buy a full reel from a questionable supplier, and the package is a 176-lead LQFP (!) with half-millimeter pitch (!!) -- but still only ~US$3 for qty/1 from reputable sources, and it is /technically/ hand-workable if you've got a temperature-controlled iron with the right tip and a particularly steady hand. I'm impressed. The bad news, though, is that it's an Allwinner part with all of the usual baggage. The /worse/ news is that it's actually ~6yrs old and plods along at 1GHz. Somehow I just don't see it running Android 9.0 Pie without melting down spectacularly -- although, it might be adequate for running eg Linux Mint or something similarly lightweight... I wonder how cheaply one could manufacture a complete all-in-one PC with one of these...? Back-of-the-envelope calcs makes me think one could compete with those ~US$100-150 Atom z8300/z8350 MiniPCs on eBay and Amazon and AliExpress (none of which have screens built in, mind you), but I've been wrong before, for sure...

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Shout out to EOMA68 in new article
by Pen-Yuan Hsing 12 Sep '18

12 Sep '18

Dear list, Waaaay back near the end of 2017 I was invited to write a review of the book "The Hardware Hacker" (https://nostarch.com/hardwarehacker) by Bunnie Huang, the person behind the Novena project: https://www.crowdsupply.com/sutajio-kosagi/novena My peer-reviewed review article was finally published here yesterday under CC BY 4.0: https://doi.org/10.5334/joh.11 I mention this because I managed to put in a shout out to the "the EOMA68 line of computing devices" with a link to its Crowd Supply page. First of all, please feel free to refer to this article via the DOI link above, and share it widely in whatever forum you see fit. Secondly, I'd appreciate any/all critiques of my article that you're happy to provide. I suspect the most direct way is to use the article's built-in Disqus function which you can see in the "Discussion" tab on the article's page (again, via the link above). I am by no means a hardware expert nor a seasoned veteran of the free software movement. So your constructive criticisms would be appreciated. I just hope that this will, in a small way, help promote the amazing work Luke has been doing. Thanks!

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Thoughts on Why Blender should Fork
by Jean Flamelle 12 Sep '18

12 Sep '18

This post has trivially to do with arm-netbooks. I'll say, risc architectures would be optimal for an ideal virtual machine that minimizes hardware awareness in userland, which has to do with Urbit, and; has to do with what I perceive Blender could be. Blender to me, long seemed designed for discovery learning. I perceive that as, 'the [infamous] Blender way'. Why none could properly document nor tutorial'ize Blender. Always intended as a practical toy. Never to grow-out of... Until v2.8 . Violating potential for discovery learning, with a persistent toolbar where previously only the toolbox-selecting-multitool and the window-clone-or-close-multitool persisted, remaining the only tools needing persistence. Much like the Linux kernel aims for ideal hardware implementation, Blender should aim for ideal graphics processing for any given hardware. Named blender-modes shouldn't exist; only two blender-modes should exist: "Render" (for static media) and "Engine" (for dynamic media). Likewise, as the Linux kernel seeks to maximize its hardware targets, so too should Blender in to perpetuity. Even for hardware unpractical for rendering or compiling, Blender should integrate EVM render and EVM compile, or alternatively SaaSS (but only mainline SaaSS after EVM etcetera, On Principle). Blender shouldn't integrate a programming environment designed for aspiring programmers; Blender should integrate a "toy language" as a programming environment that aims to enable critical fun and intuition where even seemingly random language assortments generate interesting affects that encourage further exploration. Like every OS should have boot-to-browser as a function, so too every OS should have boot-to-blender as a function. All the while, both interfaces should encourage discovery learning. v2.8 removes "game engine" mode, as-if to say "yeah, we're narrowing our scope, so what?" while almost imagining "competing in the here-and-now is more fun than grasping at a future we won't get to witness ourselves". CC0

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Open-Source Streaming Service incentivizing Free Culture
by Jean Flamelle 01 Sep '18

01 Sep '18

So there are some fairly serious talks where someone wants to do this with my help. https://riot.im/app/#/room/#Anime:matrix.org/$1535508591230126PGsxV:matrix.… Discussions start with this link, where we moved to matrix from youtube comments and I pretty heavy handedly explained why talking about this in a private chartroom won't likely get anywhere. Basically the idea is to implement Taler in an ethereum DAO and create an liberapay like that, then tie that to a website integrating whatever existing peer-to-peer networks seem practical (peer.tube and IPFS seem like candidate). People could pool funds, delegate votes, and the delegates could then leverage those funds to commission free culture anime from actual studios like Trigger (a studio already has a Patreon) and these studios are desensitized to foreign piracy. Of course doing so while giving these studios artistic license and emphasizing that altruism now will support the model, support even larger // even more obsessed fandoms (from copying, modifying, and redistributing the art), and put your foreign audience in a position to directly gouge them by threatening to sell the anime to a japanese cable company and never sell the license to a foreign actor. There are two conversations after that comment, the first is immediately after, and the second has about 140 irrelevant messages about anime in-between that and the first. (tongue fully planted in cheek, with the word irrelevant :)) tl;dr I told them why it would take about 10 years to do alone, and they still seemed to want to do it after having their heart broken.

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So this just popped up on Hackaday.
by Christopher Havel 31 Aug '18

31 Aug '18

Looks relevant to me... https://hackaday.com/2018/08/29/99-pinebook-gets-kde-neon-port/ Sorry to disturb the silence.

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Project status / 3D printing of resin cases?
by Vincent 18 Aug '18

18 Aug '18

Dear all, I'm a little bit worried since there has been no status update for quite a while and little to no activity on this mailing list for over 2 weeks. I started working on my own PCMCIA EOMA68 module and still rely on the 3D-printed case and everything related to it (e.g., power supply). In general, any news would be highly appreciated. In particular, I would like to know how the 3D-printed cases are making progress. I saw some development towards a custom 3D-printer and what appears to be PLA printing attempts. Since I ordered a resin-based case (+$150), what is the status here? Many thanks in advance, Vincent

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Linux now boots on 22nm RISC-V Shakti CPU
by Wean Irdeh 31 Jul '18

31 Jul '18

Check out @ShaktiProcessor’s Tweet: https://twitter.com/ShaktiProcessor/status/1022384131064430593?s=09

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slashdot submission help needed on IIT Madras RV64 SoC
by Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton 30 Jul '18

30 Jul '18

https://slashdot.org/submission/8436790/iit-madras-shakti-group-produce-ind… hi can people help hit "+" on this, to help get it onto the front page, many many thanks.

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riscv-basics.com
by David Boddie 30 Jul '18

30 Jul '18

This site popped up on the radar for me this morning. It's currently down - perhaps there was a public backlash, the server overheated, or something - but at least the Internet Archive still has a copy: https://web.archive.org/web/20180710130206/https://riscv-basics.com/ Time to start a riscv-netbook mailing list, perhaps? ;-) David

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Why Crytek certainly regrets releasing their source code..
by Jean Flamelle 29 Jul '18

29 Jul '18

In the coming reality where only ventures to extend hardware's usefulness support software development, programmers mostly fulfill roles as "hired guns" like accountants in the days of yester-era so then, seeking to join with Amazon and Microsoft and Google et cet in tasting their SaaSS intoxicated open source future, probably for a first in games history distributed macro-economically invested source code under a mutual promise not to sue license and without NDA. This means from the beginning, there was never any enforceable restriction not to reveal the source code. They marketed their support as hired guns, and sold their code to amazon to release as open source which amazon then co-opt'ed into their SaaSS fetish and initiated a complete rebranding effort unwittingly betraying Crytek. The games company which originally tipped the spear of Crytek's marketing themselves as hired guns, now also betrayed them by embracing amazon's rebranding effort. Crytek dreamed a future where they could customize free as in freedom software to suit whims specified by whatever company offered enough fiat to purchase the respected "hired guns": Crytek. Feeling the bitterness of betrayal they commence an inactionable lawsuit against who supported them the most and where the betrayal stings the most: their hope and their demise, their intimate friend Star Citizen. ... Obviously, this is a mixture of known fact and tongue-and-cheek inferences, which could be true. In case your not well 'versed' on what's happening, all facts mixed in the muddle authoritative sources should be trace-able through these links: https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=star+citizen+leonard+french https://www.digitaltrends.com/gaming/star-citizen-re-built-in-amazons-lumbe…

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HDMI Player Stick as DRM-free Merch Alternative
by Jean Flamelle 28 Jul '18

28 Jul '18

So the thought is pretty simple. A monofunction PCB that when power is supplied from the HDMI, generates a private key signature, displays it as a QR code for a few moments, then plays whatever video is stored on nand. The QR code confirms the legitimacy or official-ness of the copy. Encourage copying, modifying, as well as redistributing the content. However build a culture of the 'Unpause-able Player Stick': Friends should still feel obligated to support the art through peer pressure to use one of these sticks that can prove its legitimacy, during ritualistic communal watchings. Airgapped for security and durability (viruses can still damage hardware after all)

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Fwd: Liberapay is in trouble
by lkcl 19 Jul '18

19 Jul '18

whoops... ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Liberapay Support <support(a)liberapay.com> Date: Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 2:00 PM Subject: Liberapay is in trouble To: lkcl <luke.leighton(a)gmail.com> Our payment processor (Mangopay) is throwing us out, so we recommend that you evacuate the money from your account before July 26th. Clicking on the link above will bring you to a new page titled “Emptying your wallet” and ask you to choose between two options. If you use Liberapay as a donor the first choice is recommended, especially if you wish to continue using Liberapay. This first option distributes all the money from your wallet to the people who would have normally received it over time. The recipients will be able to see that this sudden burst of income corresponds to multiple weeks of donations. For example, if you’re donating $1 per week to 2 creators, and you have $40 in your wallet, then each creator will receive $20, and 20 weeks from now you’ll receive our usual email reminding you that it’s time to add money again. Please note that the disbursement may fail for various reasons. If you get an error message like “The attempt to distribute all the money in your wallet failed: XX.XX remains.” then the problem is probably on the recipient side, for example someone who hasn’t filled the identity form or a team that hasn’t defined how the income should be split between the members. The other option is to get your money back, if possible through a refund, otherwise by withdrawing it to your bank account. If you receive donations on Liberapay you may want to wait a week before withdrawing your income in order to give your patrons a chance to transfer the remaining of their donations from their wallets to yours. We’ll inform you as soon as the integration of a new payment processor is complete, and tell you if there’s anything you need to do to start receiving donations on Liberapay again. If you’re a member of a team, you should make sure that your take is set and up-to-date. You can do that from your “Receiving” page. You can find more information in this blog post, and as always you can reply to this email if you need help.

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Campaign Schedule and Future Sales/Products
by Paul Boddie 18 Jul '18

18 Jul '18

I saw the recent response to my enquiry ("EOMA68-A20 Prototype Status") which was augmented by a campaign update: "It’s going to take about a month to have the 8 Gbit 1600 MHz DDR3 x8 RAM ICs manufactured: we’re on the way. [...] All in all, it will likely take three months after getting the cards back from assembly before shipping begins. That puts actual delivery of the first units in late October." https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68/micro-desktop/updates/2-7-5-samples- received-dram-is-ok-micro-hdmi-to-confirm This new information is much appreciated, and I hope that everything continues going to plan. Meanwhile, I noticed that the matter of future sales and products arose in another thread, with the intention being expressed that others will be producing and selling boards in future. Now, there may have been some confusion in that other thread because I seem to recall talk of follow-up campaigns (although these may have been related to other hardware projects, not computer cards). Indeed, the August 2016 campaign update about the product roadmap had the following to say: "We need your backing for this project and the current Computer Card before we can be in an established financial position to properly evaluate and bring you these faster Computer Cards." https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68/micro-desktop/updates/product-roadmap The crucial question in the context of the above is therefore the following: who exactly is "we"? If not any of the parties behind the current campaign, who might it be? Here, I can understand some confusion or a mismatch in expectations. But in any case, this discussion of future sales and products reminded me of a number of things, the first of which being the board designs: "The only exception to this rule to release everything in advance is the PCB CAD files for the Computer Card. We’re planning to release the PCB CAD files for the Computer card once sufficient units are hit that ensures any third party manufacturing runs will not undermine the project’s development or stability." https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68/micro-desktop/crowdfunding Although "the point about the A20 running out of time" [1] has been made repeatedly since the start of the campaign (this quote being from March 2017 in the context of suitable NAND ICs), might it be envisaged that the design files be released for the A20 card to perhaps *stimulate* the project's development and stability after this campaign concludes? Has there been any constructive interest from anyone to produce more boards using this design? I see that Olimex have recently introduced a variant of one of their A20-based products using the compatible T2 SoC [2]. So, the A20 still has an audience and a commercial life, apparently. Another thing I found myself considering is the matter of the other cards mentioned during the course of the campaign. If they are not going to be offered via future campaigns, will they be offered by existing partners or collaborators? For instance: http://rhombus-tech.net/ingenic/jz4775/ http://rhombus-tech.net/rock_chips/rk3288/ http://rhombus-tech.net/nexell/s5p6818/ The first two of these had been prototyped, as I recall (and has been documented), and so I imagine that there is some value in seeing them become products, subject to economic and technical viability, the latter of which reminding me of the following remarks: "The rk3288 is not a low-power chip, and the heat sink supplied (pictured above), is not adequate for any CPU-intensive activity, quickly throttling performance when it gets too hot." https://forum.armbian.com/topic/4614-asus-tinker-board/ (The above is just an acknowledgement of the difficulties of selecting products, not an invitation to discuss the details.) Finally, I realised that the current campaign began almost two years ago. I think the second anniversary of its launch will be on Friday this coming week. It would be interesting to hear any reflections on the position of this initiative two years on, whether (and how) the roadmap might change, and what still needs to be done to bring this modular computing vision to fruition. Apologies if I missed various updates or announcements that happen to answer some of my questions! Paul [1] https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68/micro-desktop/updates/complexities-of- hardware-progress-and-travel [2] https://olimex.wordpress.com/2018/06/20/a20-olinuxino-lime-revision-h-is- now-in-stock-the-oshw-linux-computer-now-support-emmc-and-can-be-produced- with-industrial-grade-temperature-4085c/

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kuala lumpur airport on way chennai
by Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton 16 Jul '18

16 Jul '18

On way to 9th RISCV workshop in chennai, preliminary slides here http://hands.com/~lkcl/libre_riscv_chennai_2018.pdf Contains links to other talks but not accepted ones. Paul Boddie i still owe you a reply to your message. New crowdfunding campaign being discussed, help raise awareness. Also included would like to do a Libre 3D GPU. Actually GPGPU so using gallium3d-llvm with minor acceleration and adequate vectorisation. -- --- crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68

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low cost pcb wifi antenna
by Bill Kontos 14 Jul '18

14 Jul '18

This just came into my attention: https://www.raspberrypi.org/magpi/pi-zero-w-wireless-antenna-design/ Very interesting and potentially useful in the future. Note that the antenna design is available for licensing.

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Nokia's heavy reliance to Intel might make them to fail once again
by Wean Irdeh 13 Jul '18

13 Jul '18

https://www.semiaccurate.com/2018/07/02/intel-custom-foundrys-10nm-meltdown… Who's your guess on the article? Before Nokia merged with Alcatel-Lucent, Reefshark was produced by Alcatel-Lucent and manufactured in TSMC. Now that Nokia and Alcatel-Lucent are one, the ReefShark is using Intel's 10nm technology for no apparent reason and we all know Intel's 10nm is a disaster right now. I'm not surprised if Nokia is actually the one who get mentioned on the article

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Nokia Documentary
by Alexander Ross 13 Jul '18

13 Jul '18

Watched tonight the doc which was shown on bbc4 about nokias beginning, middle and downfall. this riscv stuff is kinda sounding a little like it... :/ doc name: The_Rise_and_Fall_of_Nokia Nokia main problems seam to be: Swapped with many manipulative managers that came in as it grew. The west (aka yet again America) using monopoly to crush/control competition. Nokia stopped being a open, idea sharing company after that. I didn’t know there was a time when they didn’t patent! That was a surprise. I had always assumed they where a evilcorp.

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EOMA68-A20 Prototype Status
by Paul Boddie 02 Jul '18

02 Jul '18

Hello, I don't want to intrude with questions whose answers are already known, but back in January there were estimates of "five to seven months" with regard to "shipping", by which I presume that the final hardware was meant: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68/micro-desktop/updates/eoma68-a20-2-7-5- gerbers-off-to-factory-thank-you-to-everyone-for-the-sponsorship However, there was also the matter of prototypes being made. This was covered in the February update: "We might get lucky and have the PCBs back, if so I will post photographs." https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68/micro-desktop/updates/fosdem-2018-shakti- project-tape-out-nearly-done-2-7-5-eoma68-a20-pcbs The March update suggests that the prototypes were still waiting for RAM: "Mike is following up on pricing for Samsung DDR3 RAM, which appears to be available. I want one other guaranteed supply of a completely different RAM IC and I will tell him to go ahead with the 10 samples… but not until we have an absolute guarantee of availability. Then once the samples are done we have a clear and extremely simple and straightforward production schedule to follow." https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68/micro-desktop/updates/fosdem-recap-risc-… update-and-certification-marks The April update made a mention of another source of RAM, but nothing new about the prototype schedule: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68/micro-desktop/updates/ddr3-ram-and-a-lib… risc-v-soc Are there any further updates on this situation? I imagine that the production schedule is more or less "when it is ready", as I have always understood it, but I did wonder whether there had been further progress with the prototypes. Paul

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