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Re: [Arm-netbook] EOMA68-A20 + SATA dock becomes accidental PC that boots in 20 seconds
by Arokux X 18 Oct '13

18 Oct '13

Hello Christopher, what is the state of the MEBv2? Luke just told sunxi.org this is the only critical piece that holds 2.5k A20-EOMA from seeing the world :) Best, Arokux

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Chinese PC for $90 - CubieTruck
by Alexey Eromenko 17 Oct '13

17 Oct '13

http://store.r0ck.me/blogs/news/9361679-cubietruck-is-ready-to-order-now And Cubietruck.com based on AllWinner A20 CPU + 2 GB RAM ! Should be good ! (I hope it will run Debian-ARM with KDE and Android just fine) Have ordered one to see how it goes. Previous efforts were either too weak (VIA APC) or lacked I/O ports. (Cubieboard, Riko MK802, ...) or both (Raspberry pi). I believe It's the first system that's good. First sub- $100 PC ! What do you think of it? -- -Alexey Eromenko "Technologov"

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NAND flash memory purchasing
by Hrvoje Lasic 17 Oct '13

17 Oct '13

Does anybody in this list have experience buying NAND flash memory in China. If so what is the best way to see which memory is easily accesible (and therefore cheap)? <lasich(a)gmail.com>

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My little idea...
by Christopher Havel 17 Oct '13

17 Oct '13

Just a little something I cooked up ;) no pictures yet, but here's a wall of text about it... I've got hand drawn schematics made up for an EOMA-68... er... I'm calling it a Carrier Board for now (the PCB that the CPU card goes into). This one uses only through-hole components, and all but two (the PCMCIA slot and, oddly enough, the Ethernet jack) are very cheap. The idea is that someone like me who is rather a bit of a dunce with the soldering iron can still put it together in a dedicated weekend, if so inclined. *That is, a person with fairly beginner-level hobby skills can buy a fistful of parts and a CPU Card, etch a PCB (or get one from somewhere) and after a few hours of lead fume inhalation, has a complete computer in their hands.* That's a huge gift, I think, to the Maker community, not to mention the technically-inclined poor folk out there (I *know* I'm not the only one!)... seriously, it sounds like good stuff to me. My two rules for designing were (1) no surface mount anything at all period end-of-story, and (2) use as many very standard parts as possible. Every component can be had at Mouser Electronics in single unit quantities. The Ethernet jack has the magnetics built in, so it's (unfortunately) the most expensive part on the board -- but I couldn't find a through-hole Ethernet transformer... I've probably also omitted some necessary things out of simple ignorance (I have a hunch that there's more to the USB connection than four wires, a power supply and data feed, and the connector itself, for instance). I'm more budding hobbyist with this stuff than anything else -- but hey, you gotta start somewhere, right? ;) The only thing I don't like is that it still requires a custom PCB unless one wants to do some very creative dongle-making... probably doable but it'll be very ugly in a number of ways. That said, I'll be quite surprised if this design cannot get away with using a single-sided PCB -- meaning any shmuck who can get to eBay can order the supplies to make the board at home if they want to. (Sounds a little like me!) If anyone wants to try reading my horrible chicken scratch I'll send out a link to a scanned copy, otherwise I'll try and work up the motivation to move it into my graphics software (CorelDRAW X3), since, although I have a copy of Kicad, I never really bothered to learn how to use it properly... Any interest at all?

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Re: [Arm-netbook] 480 × 272 5" LCD lash up ready for testing
by luke.leighton 15 Oct '13

15 Oct '13

joe hi, how you getting on with that 480x272 LCD? give these a shot ok? [lcd0_para] lcd_used = 1 lcd_x = 480 lcd_y = 272 lcd_dclk_freq = 9 lcd_pwm_not_used = 1 lcd_pwm_ch = 0 lcd_pwm_freq = lcd_pwm_pol = 0 lcd_if = 0 lcd_hbp = 40 lcd_ht = 525 lcd_vbp = 8 lcd_vt = 576 lcd_hv_if = 0 lcd_hv_smode = 0 lcd_hv_s888_if = 0 lcd_hv_syuv_if = 0 lcd_hv_vspw = 5 lcd_hv_hspw = 30 lcd_lvds_ch = 0 lcd_lvds_mode = 0 lcd_lvds_bitwidth = 0 lcd_lvds_io_cross = 0 lcd_cpu_if = 0 lcd_frm = 1 lcd_io_cfg0 = 268435456 lcd_gamma_correction_en = 0 lcd_gamma_tbl_0 = 0x0 lcd_gamma_tbl_1 = 0x10101 lcd_gamma_tbl_255 = 0xffffff On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 12:01 PM, luke.leighton <luke.leighton(a)gmail.com> wrote: > joe this is amazingly already in here: > http://linux-sunxi.org/Fex_Guide#.5Blcd0_para.5D > > remember to run fex2bin script.fex script.bin after editing. > > ;RGB 480x272 module name: KD43G18-40NB-A11 > lcd_x = 480 > lcd_y = 272 > lcd_dclk_freq = 9 > lcd_if = 0 > lcd_hbp = 2 > lcd_ht = 525 > lcd_vbp = 2 > lcd_vt = 572 > > On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 11:09 AM, joem <joem(a)martindale-electric.co.uk> wrote: >> Hi, >> >> A 480 × 272 5" LCD which costs <$15 has been lashed up for testing: >> >> http://www.gplsquared.com/eoma_boot/eoma_boot.html#lcd_lashup >> >> The LCD is a KD43G18-40NB-A1. >> Aliexpress store sell these LCDs >> http://www.aliexpress.com/wholesale?SearchText=KD43G18-40NB-A1 >> >> Datasheet http://www.gplsquared.com/eoma_boot/KD43G18-40NB-A1-1.pdf >> >> Anyone got a time to do a time saving uSD image >> configured for 480 x 272 operation that I can try for >> a bit of quick verification :) ? >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> arm-netbook mailing list arm-netbook(a)lists.phcomp.co.uk >> http://lists.phcomp.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/arm-netbook >> Send large attachments to arm-netbook(a)files.phcomp.co.uk

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A point of confusion re: EOMA-68
by Christopher Havel 13 Oct '13

13 Oct '13

Hello all! I just wanted to try and understand something with EOMA-68 -- just a small question that's not explained well on the Wiki page. I had a design idea that I wanted to draw up (not much of the actual circuitry -- I'm not that good -- but enough so that some electronics engineers can "fill in the blanks", if you will, with the circuitry I can't figure out), but I've got to get this figured out first. So I can sort of figure out that external to the CPU Card, there needs to be an I2C EEPROM. What I can't quite figure out is the purpose of that EEPROM. I'm *guessing* that it's for IDing what the external interfaces are on the host board / carrier board (the PCB that the CPU Card plugs into) so that the CPU card can turn off what's not needed, and provide proper I/O protocols to what is needed -- but that's only a guess, because it's extremely unclear on the Wiki page. Would you folks be able to provide some clarification? Thanks! Christopher

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[flying squirrel] camera status report
by luke.leighton 13 Oct '13

13 Oct '13

http://rhombus-tech.net/community_ideas/kde_tablet/news/ ok so whilst adam greig was successful because he used a camera sensor that could be brought down to a 6mhz clock rate, the $3 part we've sourced won't go below 12mhz. so, we have to upgrade to an STM32F207VCT6, which has DCMI (camera sensor) support built-in, amazingly. so, this *almost* concludes the set of hardware testing for the flying squirrel. l.

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Re: [Arm-netbook] [flying squirrel] TODO list
by luke.leighton 12 Oct '13

12 Oct '13

right here's a few little files: http://rhombus-tech.net/community_ideas/kde_tablet/csivoltages.py http://rhombus-tech.net/community_ideas/kde_tablet/axp209.py http://rhombus-tech.net/community_ideas/kde_tablet/gpio_up.sh in case anyone ever needs to program the AXP209 from userspace, the axp209.py (GPLv2, taken from u-boot, thanks to henrik, cut/paste conversion from c to python) file is capable of setting the LDO2, LDO3 and LDO4 voltages. the gpio_up.sh is a little script which pulls the relevant GPIO pins for BOOT0 and RESET on the STM32F. l.

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3D acceleration working with Ubuntu 13.04 for EOMA68-A20 (and Cubieboard2)
by joem 10 Oct '13

10 Oct '13

3D acceleration working with Ubuntu 13.04 for EOMA68-A20 (and Cubieboard2): http://www.gplsquared.com/eoma_boot/eoma_boot.html#Ubunt_13_04_3D Functions more and more like a real PC now. Kicad also got installed and it is reasonably usable. So use that to design your next EOMA application PCBs :) Also installed were xfce4, lxde and openbox window managers. Gambas installed from sources. The sound works through jack socket (hdmi sound - nothing as yet although it is known to work through booting up Android), and espeak works. So you could send it commands through serial port for example software, let gambas serial port program read the text and then the machine can be made talk back by gambas calling espeak. : I used it for the embedded work - instead of reading reams of logs, it puts important data out as text embedded inside <s>..things to say...</s> brackets and I filter for that with a gambas program and get the most relevant points read back out. NICE!!! When you first log in, a 3D animation runs if its all working.

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Specifics of EOMA gpio
by joem 10 Oct '13

10 Oct '13

Hi Luke or anyone, Need to know specific commands to turn on/off EOMA gpio lines for some testing. Is there documentation somewhere? If not, create a web page, and let me know where and list of lines that can be controlled, and i check it and get it documented etc....

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flying squirrel weirdness on the I2C bus
by luke.leighton 09 Oct '13

09 Oct '13

ahh.... something really weird going on with the flying squirrel i2c addressing. i'm running i2cdetect and it's showing up 0x34 for the AXP209 I2C address instead of 0x68, and so on. i _thought_ i got the address for the I2C EEPROM right, from the datasheet (0xA2) - but it seems that it's been shifted by one bit (0x51) as well. help! i have no idea what's going on here! l.

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Possible GPU?
by Lauri Kasanen 09 Oct '13

09 Oct '13

Hi, I was wondering if you'd heard about Bruno's open GPU that's about to go kickstarter, and what you think of it. They want to open the IP from Number Nine, in FPGA form. It has both 2d and fixed-function GL parts, separable from each other if only 2d is needed. I don't know of the exact specs yet, and clearly making it an ASIC would be costly, but it's still an interesting proposition. - Lauri [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_Nine_Visual_Technology [2] http://phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?82356-Would-A-Kickstarter-Open-So…

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Another chip to consider for a future EOMA product
by Derek 09 Oct '13

09 Oct '13

http://www.theverge.com/2013/9/10/4715514/intel-quark-internet-of-things-we… Intel's new "Quark" (might be the X1000) chip, which runs an x86 architecture at 400 MHz, somewhere between .4 and 1.3 watts.

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Farqin eeels!
by joem 08 Oct '13

08 Oct '13

Just didn't think this had come of age: http://ucnano.com/ Linux supported

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Re: [Arm-netbook] [flying squirrel] TODO list
by luke.leighton 08 Oct '13

08 Oct '13

http://rhombus-tech.net/community_ideas/kde_tablet/news/ i got the ADC operational. also as anyone on the #arm-netbooks irc will notice i've done a reorganisation of the kde tablet news page, so each entry has its own page that is available for discussion. for example here: http://rhombus-tech.net/community_ideas/kde_tablet/news/2nd_revision_adc_op… also there's an RSS feed - i liked the idea and threw it out there: http://rhombus-tech.net/community_ideas/kde_tablet/news/index.rss l.

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Chinese SoC vendor striving for world domination? Show your GPL loyalty page or get out of business!
by Paul Sokolovsky 06 Oct '13

06 Oct '13

Hello, I don't know if other folks noticed that already, but by now almost all Chinese ARM SoC vendors (targetting mass consumer market) put up some kind of "GPL/FOSS loyalty" page - and sources. I specifically call that "GPL loyalty" because as we know, there's some road ahead (maybe long) before it's "GPL compliance". Good news that some go beyond just GPL and provide Android sources, etc. It's yet to be seen how actually that useful technically as of now, but the talk about the outlook change. I'm sure that some of the vendors below did that because others did it. So, it looks like it gets self-sustaining, as put in subj: people come to you, and in quick chit-chat ask where's you GPL page, and if you say "nowhere", you get that strange look and people move to other booths, because Allwinner, Rockchip and everyone has it, and if you don't get that simple license thing, how you can actually hack on kernel and produce value? The list is: Telechips https://www.telechips.com/technical_support/kor/opensource/opensource_list.… Rockhip http://git.linux-rockchip.org/public/ Allwinner http://www.allwinnertech.com/en/awt/news/2013-04-23.html Amlogic http://openlinux.amlogic.com/ VIA/WondermediaLinux on small ARM machines <arm-netbook(a)lists.phcomp.co.uk> http://apc.io/library/ Rest of rant is here: http://pfalcon-oe.blogspot.com/2013/10/growing-gplfoss-loyalty-among-chines… -- Best regards, Paul mailto:pmiscml@gmail.com

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3d on mali
by luke.leighton 06 Oct '13

06 Oct '13

joe just in case you don't see it: <focus_it> wingrime: i'm trying to get 3d working i follow advise here http://linux-sunxi.org/Binary_drivers and get these as my results http://www.gplsquared.com/eoma_boot/gles_errors1.txt <focus_it> any pointers helpful <lkcl> focus_it: ahh yeahhh... always a bit of a battle, that one <lkcl> focus_it: [ 19.657] (II) FBTURBO(0): can't load 'g2d_23' kernel module <lkcl> so you need to track down that kernel module (as a config option) and enable it <lkcl> also you need to put the mali driver in the correct place <lkcl> 20.524] (EE) AIGLX error: dlopen of /usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/dri/sunxi-mali_dri.so failed (/usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/dri/sunxi-mali_dri.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory)

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Re: [Arm-netbook] [flying squirrel] TODO list
by luke.leighton 04 Oct '13

04 Oct '13

well.... uh... it looks like i totally cocked up the ADC side of the flying squirrel circuit for the microphone! i must have been on drugs or something (someone slipped something into my hot water with a bit of milk). the connections i made to the LM13700 OTA bear absolutely no relation to the example schematics! luckily i did manage to connect +ve and -ve to the right pins, meaning that the 3 LM13700s i now have are absolutely fine, so i've spent the day putting resistors on one of them like a porcupine, experimenting. what's really awesome about the LM13700 is that it has a fascinating history of its own: http://www.idea2ic.com/LM13600/LM13700.html being an independent-buffered dual-version of an incredibly famous OTA - the CA3080 - which was first sold in *1969* http://www.till.com/blog/archives/2005/06/last_of_the_ota.html i'm reminded of when i put the flying squirrel schematics in front of a chinese ODM for them to quote helping get it made, they said "that's a really old school design". i had no idea :) anyway, i'm presently flipping quills on an LM13700 porcupine and also i'll errr... this time be actually... like... connecting the ADC VREF pins on the STM32F so that... y'know... the ADC actually works? honestly... :) l.

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Re: [Arm-netbook] [flying squirrel] TODO list
by luke.leighton 02 Oct '13

02 Oct '13

On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 11:16 AM, luke.leighton <luke.leighton(a)gmail.com> wrote: > * find out why the AXP209 is randomly shutting off (could be floating reset?) *sigh* this turns out to be because (AGAIN) wits-tech did not... AGAIN ... tell us that they'd made changes which were NOT authorised, to the EOMA68-A20 CPU Card schematics. this time what they've done is wire the 5V (ACIN) directly to the USB-OTG line of the AXP209. *deep breath*.... the consequences of that are that when the device is being powered by USB-OTG, 5V appears on the EOMA68 5V power lines. the consequences of _that_ are that the flying squirrel I/O board (which has its own AXP209 and a 5V step-up regulator to turn IPSOUT into a stable 5.0V output) fights with the incoming 5V power... and loses the moment that the voltage fluctuates by even the smallest amount (such as the A20 doing anything resembling the slightest amount of processing). if wits-tech had fucking well told me what they were doing i could have put in a MOSFET or other power regulator on the I/O board to cope with power-in as well as power-out. not entirely sure what to do here, i'll have to think about it. as far as testing the flying squirrel is concerned i can get it working (in a rather painful laborious way) by disconnecting USB-OTG: i've verified that the CPU Card can in fact be powered by *incoming* 5V power from the I/O board... i might need to cut one of the micro-usb cables i have here and remove its 5V line or something. l.

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[EOMA68] changes to I2C EEPROM address location
by luke.leighton 02 Oct '13

02 Oct '13

http://elinux.org/Embedded_Open_Modular_Architecture/EOMA-68#Requirements_f… i've updated the specification to reflect what's actually been deployed on the flying squirrel pcb. apologies but i'd read the AT24C64 datasheet incorrectly: the "1" in the 8-bit MSB of an I2C address is not counted in the address so i'd read it as "0xA2" when it should be "0x51". apologies but all boards currently being designed will need to update schematics to match accordingly. l.

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Ubuntu 13.04 Desktop Linux now running on EOMA68-A20
by joem 01 Oct '13

01 Oct '13

Ubuntu 13.04 now running on EOMA68-A20 Sata disk images and how to's here: http://www.gplsquared.com/eoma_boot/eoma_boot.html#Ubuntu_13_04 (The same image can work on Cubieboard2 as well with some minor tweeks.) The EOMA now functions like a powerful arm-netbook desktop computer and as powerful as any netbooks that first came out. Probably under $50 BOM costs for a netbook like ARM PC box with say an upgradeable 16GB sata SSD built into the box. This release has Gambas3 compiled and working. Gambas allows rapid GUI application development. So - now very easy to customize EOMA to become IoT gadget with a GUI user interface, a web interface or both.

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Re: [Arm-netbook] ARM system with good wifi
by luke.leighton 01 Oct '13

01 Oct '13

On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 4:04 PM, Stefan Monnier <monnier(a)iro.umontreal.ca> wrote: > The lack of other answers makes me suspect that all the builtin wifi > adapters on ARM systems just suck, IOW what I'm looking for > doesn't exist. there are two factors at play here. 1) the price-war on tablets is driving everything down. if you're putting in a high-quality $5 WIFI module you just made the entire product uncompetitive because everyone else is using $2 modules. when the product BOM is only $30 the higher-quality WIFI module represents a whopping 10% increase in the BOM. 2) low-end portable products need lower-power WIFI modules otherwise the battery has to be larger, and *again* that pushes up the price to uncompetitive levels. low-power WIFI modules tend to have shit-for-brains range the only other thing i can think of perhaps is for you to take some pictures of the wifi module, identify it, and then hunt around to see if there's a way for example to add an external antenna (or a better external antenna if it already has one). then make sure it's installed in a place that's away from any metallic objects inside the casework. the only problem with increasing the effectiveness of the antenna is that it can suck more power out of the module's R.F. transmitter (i don't fully understand this but it's what i've heard so i'm repeating it parrot-fashion). so you'll just have to watch out for that, ok? l.

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AC to DC power adapter with multiple outputs
by Arokux X 30 Sep '13

30 Sep '13

Hi all, I am probably once again asking for something that is not there, but anyway. I'm currently hacking on several single board computers. Each of them requires 12V. So I would need an AC to DC power adapter for each. Each of adapters will require a separate socket in my master plug. What I would like to have is _one_ AC to DC adapter with multiple outputs to which I then connect my boards. Basically something like a USB hub but for power supply. After much of googling I wasn't able to find something like this. Have I missed something? Thanks, Arokux

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Re: [Arm-netbook] Home microserver based on ARM
by mike.valk＠gmail.com 30 Sep '13

30 Sep '13

2013/9/27 Stefan Monnier <monnier(a)iro.umontreal.ca> > >> But to use something like the quattro docking station, either you have > >> to use a USB connection (rather undesirable, especially since all those > >> ARM thingies seem to be limited to USB-2.0 so far), or you have to use > >> a SATA connection where the controller supports "port multiplier". > > Both types support sata multiplier. > > I lost you: both types of what? Both the i.MX6 and the A10/A20 SoCs? > You lost me twice. There Are two CuBox modules now: 1st CuBox/CuBox Pro. Which Has the Marvell Armada. http://www.solid-run.com/mw/index.php?title=CuBox_hardware_specification 2nd CuBox-I. Which comes in the four flavors of i-MX. http://imx.solid-run.com/wiki/index.php?title=CuBox-i_Hardware Unfortunately they don't have a Allwinner A10/A20 version. There HW design is quite good and sw hacker frendly. Eg. built-in USB->UART chip. > > > Just read that the original CuBox does it better. The Marvell armada one. > > That is. > > It seems that the Inc doesn't support asynchronous transfer. > > Are you saying that the Armada chip only supports the "command based > switching" (so only one drive can be active at a time), whereas the > i.MX6 (used in CuBox) supports "FIS–based switching" (commands can be > sent to drives regardless if other drives still haven't finished > processing previous commands)? > Just the opposite: 1st: Marvell Armada -> FIS Based switching 2nd: i-MX -> Command based switching http://www.solid-run.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=8001&sid=c661b1aaed86bc1a510… (posted by Rabeeh; The company's founder/CTO) > > > Stefan > > > _______________________________________________ > arm-netbook mailing list arm-netbook(a)lists.phcomp.co.uk > http://lists.phcomp.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/arm-netbook > Send large attachments to arm-netbook(a)files.phcomp.co.uk >

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Re: [Arm-netbook] ARM system with good wifi
by mike.valk＠gmail.com 30 Sep '13

30 Sep '13

2013/9/19 Stefan Monnier <monnier(a)iro.umontreal.ca> > I'd like to use something like a Mele-A2000 (i.e. one of those > cheapish-but-beefier-than-linksys-router ARM systems) as access point, > but my Mele-A2000 has a pretty weak wifi. Part of the problem is the > wifi driver I suspect, but other things like the antenna are probably > not helping. > > Does anyone have a product to recommend, based on something comparable > to an Allwinner SoC, but where the wifi is of good quality? > Dunno if it actually works, but A20/A10 with an external antenna: https://www.miniand.com/products/Mini%C2%A0Xplus%20TV%20Box%20H34 https://www.miniand.com/products/Mini%C2%A0Xplus%20TV%20Box%20H24 > > > Stefan > > > _______________________________________________ > arm-netbook mailing list arm-netbook(a)lists.phcomp.co.uk > http://lists.phcomp.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/arm-netbook > Send large attachments to arm-netbook(a)files.phcomp.co.uk >

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