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Just reached 75.000!
by m016fec3 12 Aug '16

12 Aug '16

Just reached 75.000! hopefully going on. Wolfgang

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Keyboard news
by Albert ARIBAUD 10 Aug '16

10 Aug '16

Hi all, For those following dev on the EC, I've just tested transposing the matrix rows and columns, which worked as expected, that is, exactly the same as before transposing (including ghosting), but doing 40 GPIO accesses for a whole scan instead of 64. The only problem I hit was specific to the NUCLEO: I had already replaced keyboard GPIOs PA2, PA3 and PA5, which are used on the NUCLEO, with PA13, PA14 and PA15, but I only just noticed that PA13 and PA14 are also used (for ST-Link/V2.1) so I had to change again, this time for PA8, PA9 and PA10 which are unused as far as I can tell from scrubbing the NUCLEO reference manual. I'll push the changes tomorrow. I have not started implementing priority policy or ghost jamming yet, because I'm still thinking over how to implement both in the most economic way. Amicalement, -- Albert.

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EOMA68-A20 web browser performance
by Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton 10 Aug '16

10 Aug '16

https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68/micro-desktop/updates/web-browser-perfor… especially this was for you, wolfgang, as you asked about web browsers. i did an honest appraisal showing how there are some ways to improve things. l. --- crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68

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[EOMA68] A20 G2D / VAAPI / VDPAU video acceleration in web browsers
by Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton 10 Aug '16

10 Aug '16

.... ain't gonna work with the current code-base of either xulrunner (firefox and ice* types) or webkit (chrome, midori, qupzilla). darn. the reason for webkit is: although gstreamer supports vdpau and vaapi, and even can be activated to do hardware-accelerated decode, webkit (at least as best i can find) the gtk+ variant then targets *opengl* as the output rendering engine, rather than asks VAAPI / VDPAU to handle it directly on the webkit engine's behalf. what that means is: with software-rendering OpenGL of the decoded pixels it's simply too much for the A20 to handle. amazingly i have actually seen icecat do about 2 or 3 fps video decoding in software, i really don't know how it managed, and i haven't really been able to replicate it. anyway if people are expecting videos to be played in web browsers, it's gonna take some work. for now it's possible to download them (youtube-dl or other methods) and then use a video player. l. --- crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68

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Fwd: About EOMA68 video presentation license
by lkcl . 10 Aug '16

10 Aug '16

https://lists.parabola.nu/pipermail/dev/2016-August/004321.html cf. just for people here to be able to understand a little bit about why i feel that software freedom is important. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: lkcl . <luke.leighton(a)gmail.com> Date: Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 5:40 AM Subject: Re: About EOMA68 video presentation license Cc: Parabola Mail List <dev(a)lists.parabola.nu> ok so we got permission, eric from crowdsupply explained that actually what they do is assign the campaign organisers the right to use the videos that they produce, especially for promotion, which is great. so yes please go to it! :) now, andre, i have a special favour to ask, it's because many people really do not actually truly understand what software libre really is about. i wanted to reach out to you to explain some insights i have learned from chris (thinkpenguin.com, my sponsor) and from watching dr stallman be verbally attacked and abused during questions at hopeconf 2016. people genuinely genuinely believe that to be committed to software libre is some sort of zealous idealistic extremism - a form of mental illness, even - which is not only downright rude but is totally wrong. the people who believe this see a committment to ethical standards: they don't like to be reminded that they made a conscious or subconscious decision to COMPROMISE on ethical standards, and, rather than admit that to themselves, they go into all-out ATTACK. blame the other person instead of accepting responsibility. works a charm. in talking to chris i have come to learn that a committment to software libre results very simply in hardware that JUST WORKS. i told people i think it was about 200 to 300 times: "hassle-free computing: stuff that just works. thinkpenguin do the research... so that you don't have to". and *everybody* i said that to got it immediately. some examples: they sell ttyACM modems. not to linux users... but to windows users!! people who have windows xp tend to live in remote areas, where broadband is not profitable. they have old conexant soft-modems. they upgrade to windows 7... only to find that the drivers aren't maintained for windows 7! why? because... it's not profitable. now they're totally disconnected from the internet. so they phone up chris and say, "thank god you have ttyACM hard-modems - please sell me one!" they sell PCIe-to-USB3 cards that they've researched work out-of-the-box and do not require firmware. they sell AR9271 802.11n USB WIFI modems that they spent 2 years walking atheros through the process of releasing the ath9k_htc firmware that goes into the libre firmware repositories. and guess what? the only support calls that they get are down to flaky customer hardware (usually extremely poor quality laptops that the customer ows where the USB controllers are not properly functional) and to "whitelisting" in proprietary BIOSes (usually WIFI cards so that Dell and IBM can sell you expensive whitelisted PCIe products at a huge markup). it's the same with printers: they pre-vet the printers.... and the USB Audio dongles... and the Hauppaug USB TV tuners... all these things *just work* because they've gone to a lot of trouble to find them, check them, track down the firmware and make sure it's libre. 12 years ago i bought *six* soft-modems in a row, taking every single one back to the shop because none of them worked with linux. that was 2 days travel-time wasted. *this* is what software libre is really about, on a really practical level. not even anything really to do with conspiracy theories or spying and so on, although we know now that that's not actually conspiracy but that it *really does* happen. we also know that 900 million qualcomm-based android devices are soon going to end up in landfill. what we really do not hear enough about is that if you respect software freedom and use libre hardware, the driver incompatibility issues that everyone over the past 10-15 years has associated with hardware and put up with despite really really hating it.... all those issues disappear. i know you truly understand this, because you run libre software down to the bedrock of your computing devices, but please can i urge you to consider making it a really key point of your talk so that more people can get the message that there really is a way to have less problems with their computers. l.

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EOMA68 t-shirts and bumper stickers
by Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton 09 Aug '16

09 Aug '16

i added the t-shirts and the R/E-volution bumper sticker... :) --- crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68

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The opposite of the EOMA-68 laptop
by David Boddie 08 Aug '16

08 Aug '16

I'm more of a desktop user these days but even I can see the benefits of a modular laptop design. It was something highlighted to me during my recent reboot of my old laptop: http://www.boddie.org.uk/david/www-repo/Personal/Updates/2016/2016-08-07.ht… One thing that is highlighted very early on the EOMA68 campaign page is the cost of getting a laptop fixed. Part of that is the need to return to a single vendor or support company for repairs, especially when a laptop is within the warranty period. It's not always the case that you get everything fixed at zero cost under warranty, and there are always time costs and secondary expenses associated with shipping a broken product back to the vendor. Anyway, I just thought it would be interesting to show the inside of a laptop that probably blows through the EOMA-68 laptop's power budget several times over - just check out that cooling solution! ;-) David

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EOMA68 adventures in Taiwan
by Nick Hardiman 07 Aug '16

07 Aug '16

This is what I understand about the production phase that follows this fundraising phase. Is the manufacturing to be done in Taiwan? Assuming all goes to plan, Luke will be temporarily relocating to Taiwan. It is a good idea to be onsite in manufacturer facilities to manage risks and challenges - make sure no mistakes are made, avoid fraud, ensure openness and so on. There was a Bunnie Huang reference recently explaining being onsite, but I couldn’t find it. I did find this quote in Bunnie’s blog. 'this is the advantage of being in China during production — you can fix problems like this within the hour, before they become really serious issues' It all sounds like exciting International business. I’d like to see a daily blog about EOMA68 adventures in Taiwan. Perhaps a few lines a day, something like the Joey Hess git-annex blog. Then I could pretend I am joining in on the adventure. How about that? Would that work? Thanks, Nick Joey Hess git-annex blog https://git-annex.branchable.com/devblog/https://git-annex.branchable.com/d… Bunnie’s blog quote, On MicroSD Problems https://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=918

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Allwinner A20 apparent "trustzone failure"
by Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton 07 Aug '16

07 Aug '16

https://bbs.boingboing.net/t/a-free-open-computer-on-a-card-that-you-swap-i… somebody is claiming that there's absolutely no way to trust the allwinner a20 because trustzone doesn't work. or something. he's not given a lot of details. does anybody know what he's talking about? l. --- crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68

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Re: [Arm-netbook] Another mention on the Puppy Forum.
by Christopher Havel 06 Aug '16

06 Aug '16

Public posts, two. Not a PM. I'm on a phone now...

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EOMA68 rough campaign assessment
by Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton 06 Aug '16

06 Aug '16

http://rhombus-tech.net/crowdsupply/assess_campaign.py with some very rough costs on shipping and testing, and assuming $10k NREs, there's about $6k spare at the moment. that'll be "living in taiwan" costs (where i wouldn't need to be paying rent) and the $10k includes "getting to taiwan". it's *just* doable... barely. which is why we need to raise more. l. --- crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68

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boingboing comments
by Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton 06 Aug '16

06 Aug '16

favour to ask of people, could you possibly take a look here and help answer some of these https://bbs.boingboing.net/t/a-free-open-computer-on-a-card-that-you-swap-i… my comments were accidetntally deleted because their auto-spam-bot got over-aggressive (new account, lots of helpful URLs for people when answering their questions) but then someone also "flagged" one of my responses and the staff didn't check. .. oops :) anyway i'm waiting for them to restore the account but the timer's ticking down, and i'm currently dealing with a high temperature. could people please chip in and answer some of the queries, c/f the archives here? thx. l. --- crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68

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ARM Cortex-A15
by Wolfgang Romey (hier) 06 Aug '16

06 Aug '16

Hallo Luke, surely you know the ARM Cortex-A15. I would like the drawbacks of the PYRA. Can you please, if you have the time, tell me something about it. Especially the GPU, are there any gpl violations of the producers of the Cortex A15 and why you did not choose it for the eoma68. I do not find it in your comparison of the processors. Many thanks! Wolfgang -- Wolfgang Romey Krokusstraße 37 47249 Duisburg geraspora: https://pod.geraspora.de/people/9002a1416a4e4a9d loadaverage: https://loadaverage.org/hier tox: wolfgang_romey(a)toxme.se Bitte Anhänge nur in freien Formaten. Die Nachricht ist signiert, der öffentliche Schlüssel wird auf Anfrage zugeleitet.

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Repositories
by Wolfgang Romey (hier) 06 Aug '16

06 Aug '16

Hello, what repositories will be used for the Parabola GNU/Linux-libre operating system on the EOMA68? If you have no time for answering my question, please let me know. Wolfgang -- Wolfgang Romey Krokusstraße 37 47249 Duisburg geraspora: https://pod.geraspora.de/people/9002a1416a4e4a9d loadaverage: https://loadaverage.org/hier tox: wolfgang_romey(a)toxme.se Bitte Anhänge nur in freien Formaten. Die Nachricht ist signiert, der öffentliche Schlüssel wird auf Anfrage zugeleitet.

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ARM Cortex-A15
by Wolfgang Romey (hier) 05 Aug '16

05 Aug '16

Hallo Luke, surely you know the ARM Cortex-A15. I would like the drawbacks of the PYRA. Can you please, if you have the time, tell me something about it. Especially the GPU, are there any gpl violations of the producers of the Cortex A15 and why you did not choose it for the eoma68. I do not find it in your comparison of the processors. Many thanks! Wolfgang -- Wolfgang Romey Krokusstraße 37 47249 Duisburg geraspora: https://pod.geraspora.de/people/9002a1416a4e4a9d loadaverage: https://loadaverage.org/hier tox: wolfgang_romey(a)toxme.se Bitte Anhänge nur in freien Formaten. Die Nachricht ist signiert, der öffentliche Schlüssel wird auf Anfrage zugeleitet.

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on duty
by Wolfgang Romey (hier) 05 Aug '16

05 Aug '16

https://loadaverage.org/notice/8362697 https://pod.geraspora.de/posts/5089037 Wolfgang -- Wolfgang Romey Krokusstraße 37 47249 Duisburg geraspora: https://pod.geraspora.de/people/9002a1416a4e4a9d loadaverage: https://loadaverage.org/hier tox: wolfgang_romey(a)toxme.se Bitte Anhänge nur in freien Formaten. Die Nachricht ist signiert, der öffentliche Schlüssel wird auf Anfrage zugeleitet.

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pass-through card
by Wolfgang Romey (hier) 05 Aug '16

05 Aug '16

Hello Luke, is the pass-through card usable with the Micro Desktop Housing too? If yes, I think it makes sense to mention it clearly on the crowsupply page. BTW: Are you still working on making freedombox run on the eoma68? Wolfgang -- Wolfgang Romey Krokusstraße 37 47249 Duisburg geraspora: https://pod.geraspora.de/people/9002a1416a4e4a9d loadaverage: https://loadaverage.org/hier tox: wolfgang_romey(a)toxme.se Bitte Anhänge nur in freien Formaten. Die Nachricht ist signiert, der öffentliche Schlüssel wird auf Anfrage zugeleitet.

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EOMA68 phoronix
by Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton 05 Aug '16

05 Aug '16

yay! the slashdot article seems to have gone (still going) well - waaa took up my entire day responding to people, but it's resulted in a big jump from $52.5 to $55.2 and still going. now... the next person to poke a stick at would be michael larabel, he was so funny saying "awww darn it, you guys keep bugging me about that damn eoma68 thing, ahh i suppooose i'd better write an article theeeen"... if anyone feels so inclined, feel free to poke him with a stick again, point out that the discussion on his forum was huge (20 pages, 200 comments) and that i refer people to it all the time as the technical discussions on there are really valuable, so it gets _him_ some exposure for his site.... l. --- crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68

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Talk
by Wolfgang Romey (hier) 04 Aug '16

04 Aug '16

Hello Luke, i watched the talk and found it very interesting and helpfull! Wolfgang -- Wolfgang Romey Krokusstraße 37 47249 Duisburg geraspora: https://pod.geraspora.de/people/9002a1416a4e4a9d loadaverage: https://loadaverage.org/hier tox: wolfgang_romey(a)toxme.se Bitte Anhänge nur in freien Formaten. Die Nachricht ist signiert, der öffentliche Schlüssel wird auf Anfrage zugeleitet.

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Questions
by Wolfgang Romey (hier) 04 Aug '16

04 Aug '16

Hello Luke I have questions: Whrere is the OS which is delivered with thwe eoma68 stored? Surely one can update it and install additional software? Can I boot different OSs? Which Kernel will be delivered? I see, that you are trying the 4.7 kernel? Will it be possible to activate the 3D acceleration on the debian card? Thanks in advance. Wolfgang -- Wolfgang Romey Krokusstraße 37 47249 Duisburg geraspora: https://pod.geraspora.de/people/9002a1416a4e4a9d loadaverage: https://loadaverage.org/hier tox: wolfgang_romey(a)toxme.se Bitte Anhänge nur in freien Formaten. Die Nachricht ist signiert, der öffentliche Schlüssel wird auf Anfrage zugeleitet.

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storage options for EOMA68
by Nick Hardiman 04 Aug '16

04 Aug '16

I have to break these things down so I can get them into my neanderthal head, so my apologies if this is obvious to everyone already. Is this a reasonable summary of the storage options for EOMA68? I looked at some old photos and the EOMA-68 page, and I reckon these are the data storage options. By data storage I mean memory, disk space, or - to talk oldskool - any input/output device. EOMA68 data storage options --- 1. micro-SD card 2. USB flash drive (AKA USB stick, pen drive, external NAND) 3. internal NAND 4. mechanical hard disk 5. Solid State Disk file transfer speeds -- 1 is the slowest, 5 is the fastest. If you want to run something that thrashes the storage, like an e-mail server, stick the files on a disk. data storage capacity -- 1 is the smallest, and 5 the biggest. Using a micro-SD card is roughly the same as using as a small cloud server - enough space to store the OS, a bunch of applications, and have some left over. If you want to run something that chomps through storage, like a database server, stick the files on a disk. sockets for attaching another mass storage device -- USB2 There's a micro-USB socket on one side of the board, and another USB interface via the PCMCIA socket (or whatever you call the big pin connector housing). If you want to connect your Edison Cylinder Phonograph to your EOMA68 card, USB it up first. SD/MMC beside the USB socket SATA III via the PCMCIA socket I just realized I’ve been dropping the hyphen from EOMA-68. Oops. links -- old photos http://rhombus-tech.net/allwinner_a10/news/ EOMA-68 page http://elinux.org/Embedded_Open_Modular_Architecture/EOMA-68

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EOMA68 printing and gimp and libreoffice videos
by Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton 04 Aug '16

04 Aug '16

https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68/micro-desktop/updates/2318 here y'go wolfgang --- crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68

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cedrus 1080p on A20 working perfectly
by Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton 03 Aug '16

03 Aug '16

even better, it's been added within a couple of hours to parabola! https://git.parabola.nu/abslibre.git/commit/?id=fb03f508cc4674e6b310410929e… video of the video out shortly... eh how does that work? ;) --- crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68

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EOMA-68 laptop Keyboard support improvement pushed
by Albert ARIBAUD 03 Aug '16

03 Aug '16

Hi all, I have gone ahead and pushed my latest round of improvements for keyboard support in the EOMA-68 laptop EC firmware. The new feature is support for modifiers (ctrl, shift, alt, GUI). Previously, these were sent as key codes, now they are sent within the modifier. For those to whom this is pure gibberish, it basically means that now "shift-a" *will* show as "A" (unless you've hit the Caps Lock key, of course, in which case "shift-A" will show as "a"), Alt-tab *will* cycle through your apps "Ctrl-C" *will* break that running process in your console, etc. Basically, the keyboard is now as functional as any other USB keyboard (except for two keys on the AZERTY matrix which seem to differ wrt the QWERTY matrix; that's a trivial issue and precisely the kind of thing I've initially set out to find and fix). I've also made some less visible changes, mainly to optimize GPIO access (for which there is still some improvement simmering gently here). Amicalement, -- Albert.

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Another mention on the Puppy Forum.
by Christopher Havel 03 Aug '16

03 Aug '16

Worth a look -- I don't *think* one needs a login to view the post -- could be wrong tho. If I am, I'll mirror it. Also, I don't think the poster knows about that thread I posted, either. I'll link him to it in a minute. http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=916157#916157

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