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EOMA68 Type III thickness
by Benson Mitchell 14 Dec '16

14 Dec '16

While checking my data for that last email, I noticed the PCMCIA standard for Type III cards is 10.5mm thick, while the EOMA68 standard is 8mm. Luke, is this deliberate? It seems like thinner limits user-facing connectors, and makes fan-cooled card designs a bit harder. OTOH, it does permit devices to be 2.5mm thinner -- I'm not a big fan of thinner-is-better, but it undeniably sells. Benson Mitchell

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new development laptop needed, looking at dell xps 13 9350
by Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton 12 Dec '16

12 Dec '16

around 3 years ago i bought an apple macbook pro 13in because it was well-built, high spec'd and high-priced (translation: plenty of profit so that no corners need to be cut in manufacturing, which in turn means less chance of component failure). that was the theory, anyway. one design flaw, though: the PCIe SSD could be "spiked" by the lack of earthing of the power supply, resulting in resets of the SATA bus about twice per second. setting "min_power" on the SATA bus stopped this flood of entries in /var/log/syslog... but the setting was OVER-RIDDEN at the slightest opportunity. also, i had no idea that i would need more than 8GB of RAM (and the macbook pro is NOT UPGRADABLE - the RAM is soldered down). i've also just had my backup SSD (a 4 year old kingston 512mb SSD which is hardly used) totally fail after a non-intensive *READ*. not write: READ. with the macbook pro's internal SSD being difficult to get at, i'm feeling a leetle paranoid: this machine is a CRITICAL resource, now a single point of failure. my partner's machine only has 4GB of RAM and a 1600x1080 LCD. lovely machine but it would in no way cope with what i'm doing. also... i've literally worn holes in two of the keys (ctrl and S)... basically it's time to get a new laptop, and i need something that has particularly special high-end specifications in certain areas: * 2560x1600 or greater resolution LCD (CAD development) * 13in size (has to fit in my backpack) * below 1.5kg weight (carryable) * 16GB of RAM (i'm maxing out the 8GB) * 512GB SSD (i've maxed out the 256GB drive) * cooperative manufacturer that hasn't caved in to microsoft cartelling business practices actual processor and processor speed isn't actually relevant. battery life: also not really relevant. doesn't *particularly* need a dedicated GPU: intel shared graphics turns out to work well enough for the 3D CAD work that i do (even when the framerate is seconds per frame in openscad). i run mostly from mains, and processors are so insanely fast these days that speed is not really an issue. now, the machine i came up with is the Dell XPS 13, 9350: https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Dell/Dell_XPS_13_9350 i looked at the lenovo yoga 900: zowee, lenovo are unethical. they've locked the BIOS so that you can't switch the NVMe SSD out of RAID mode (so you can't even install windows from a windows CD), they've refused refunds to people who claim mis-selling, they're ACTIVELY working to release new BIOS updates that prevent and prohibit people from installing linux, and they're scrambling to constantly censor reports and complaints on their forum. i also looked at the asus zenbook: fantastic machine.... except the 13in variant peaks at 12GB of RAM. sony... have stopped doing laptops! that's the end of an era: i'm amazed... now, before i go spending $USD 1500 of crowd-funding money (which is easily justifiable as it's absolutely essential that i have a working machine and a half-decent backup) i'd like to double-check with people if they know of anything better than the XPS 9350, both in terms of specification as well as support for the linux community from the manufacturer. dell appear to be cooperating, releasing BIOS updates that *actively* help linux users (as opposed to lenovo who do the complete opposite and then try to hide the fact, generally being incredibly evasive and unethical). thoughts and suggestions appreciated for evaluation. the 9350's at the top of the list right now. l.

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aorus x3 plus v6
by Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton 12 Dec '16

12 Dec '16

well, i have a new development laptop, one that i'm actually happy will last several years and be up to the challenge of being absolutely hammered without even coming close to going beyond its design spec. it's an 8 core 3.2ghz i7 which can be overclocked to 4ghz. RAM maxes out at 32 GB of 2400mhz DDR4 RAM. it can take *two* PCIe NVMe SSDs, which i've confirmed can run at 485 MEGABYTES per second write speed and a whopping 2100 MB / sec read speed. who designs this stuff?? it's so bonkers i'm having a hard time getting my head round the specs... which continue with a hybrid graphics setup: the Intel skylake HD 5500 normally controls the LCD, but there's a headless co-processor (using "optimus" or "primus" - apt-get install bumblebeed) in the form of a GTX 1060 with SIX gigabytes of DDR5 RAM. 3200 x 1800 14in LCD just tops off the list of insane specs. oh, and as long as you use the 4.7.8 linux kernel under debian, *all* the hardware works. there's a few niggles but i can sort those out as things progress and become more confident with it. full report's at http://lkcl.net/reports/aorus_x3_plus_v6.html and yes, i used angband.pl "nosystemd" packages. i considered it to be better to be using debian with all dependence on systemd and libsystemd removed than it would be to try to convert to devuan, where they've clearly established themselves as a "Reaction Against" systemd yet their charter says "we are inclusive of all init services". i can't endorse or live with that kind of lack of integrity, despite loving everything else that they're doing and achieving (warts and all: thank you phil for sending privately that evaluation report you did of their work). the only real niggle about using this machine: god is it way too recent hardware. 4.8.* kernels don't work fully, 3.16 kernels don't work fully, i had to go with the 4.7.8 kernel and compile it up myself from source. i also haven't had to actually use debian/sid in a long, *long* time. have to keep an eye on that.... l.

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laptop battery lessons...
by Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton 10 Dec '16

10 Dec '16

https://tech.slashdot.org/story/16/12/05/2032203/engineers-explain-why-the-… whoops. *sigh*.... so i'll be increasing the laptop's height by 1mm. argh. that's a big redesign... l.

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Opensouce TPM
by mike.valk＠gmail.com 10 Dec '16

10 Dec '16

Interesting: http://phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Google-Building-OSS-TPM2

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Failed upstream port on the "Hercules eCAFE Slim HD"
by Denis 'GNUtoo' Carikli 07 Dec '16

07 Dec '16

Hi, Yesterday I bought a "Hercules eCAFE Slim HD", which is a small netbook with: - An IMX51 SOC and 512M of RAM (probably the maximum supported by that SOC) - A 1024x600 glossy display (sic[1][2]). - a 8G eMMC with the system - 2xSD slots - A switch that is under a trap that switches the SOC boot modes. Flipping that switch permits to boot from an external SD card (for recovery or for booting the system) It could be used as a computer that is impossible to persistently compromise assuming that the switch is always set to boot on an external SD card or that the internal eMMC is destroyed or removed. It was also interesting for me as I'm familiar with the I.MX SOCs, and that I was looking for a device to port parabola to. This would have been a fast port. Unfortunately the device bought was already opened, and the keyboard connector was dammaged. I failed to notice that. So I prepared a dts for it and compiled a kenrel to test, but the keyboard wasn't working properly since the last time I opened it, so I decided to fix that first. Unfortunately I broke it while messing with the broken keyboard connector. Probably a short circuit. The SOC doesn't enumerate anymore on USB and the device doesn't react when I press the power button. The DTS is pretty minimal and was intended to get a shell on it trough g_serial. It was produced by looking at the differences with the "imx51-babbage" board on the vendor provided kernel, and re-applying the lack of differences in a DTS. So I publish it in case someone wants to test or to continue the port. As I have a hard time finding such devices in France, the port will probably be abandoned. References: ----------- [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glossy_display#Disadvantages [2]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glossy_display#Adverse_health_effects Denis.

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t-firefly RK3399 in crowdfunding
by Mike Leimon 05 Dec '16

05 Dec '16

Since as I understand it, the people at t-firefly have been pretty helpful towards getting the RK3288 EOMA board put together, I figured I would point out that they have just launched a crowdfunding campaign to build a RK3399 development board. https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1771382379/firefly-rk3399-six-core-64-… I'm not sure if that rk3399 processor would be able to work for a future EOMA68 design however, if it did, it would bring some cool advantages. It looks like it supports USB 3.0, it is a 64-bit processor, and like the RK3288, it can support 4 GB of memory.

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Nvidia jetson tx1
by James L 05 Dec '16

05 Dec '16

>https://developer.nvidia.com/embedded/downloads#?tx=$product,jetson_tx1$har… > >ooooooooo! includes hardware design fiiiles. at laaast, nvidia is Getting It. > Nice, need to make an account with them first, then it works fine. Looks like the SoM is too much power to be an EOMA68 card though. Is it possible to get it down to 5 watts? >and it looks like according to this >https://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/FeatureMatrix/ that the X1, which >is a NV110 (maxwell family) should be supported by noveau. NV12B >(GM20B) Tegra X1 > >ooooo, that's reaally excitiiing... > >l.

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Re: [Arm-netbook] arm-netbook Digest, Vol 77, Issue 5
by Mike Leimon 05 Dec '16

05 Dec '16

> Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2016 19:07:32 +0000 > From: Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton <lkcl(a)lkcl.net> > To: Linux on small ARM machines <arm-netbook(a)lists.phcomp.co.uk> > Subject: Re: [Arm-netbook] new development laptop needed, looking at > dell xps 13 9350 > Message-ID: > <CAPweEDx3abbKtx46=hO24BJPepaSqg8_K+mz7pUMBTY3sVR6sw@mail. > gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > On 12/4/16, Andrew Mike <andrew(a)logomancy.net> wrote: > > You could get a Gigabyte Aero 14: > > http://www.xoticpc.com/gigabyte-aero-14.html > > > > 2560x1440 14-inch screen, 1.9 kg, but has everything else you wanted at > > your price point. > > dang. up to 32gb DDR4 RAM. in a laptop. i'm very very tempted... > the only thing is: although the current screen i'm using is 2560x1600, > i just know damn well i'll miss the ... *goes to run python as a > calculator*... 160 pixels. it makes the difference between being able > to run 2 80x56 xterms one above the other. > > > There's also the AORUS X3 Plus PC3K4D: > > http://www.xoticpc.com/aorus-x3-plus-v6-pc3k4d.html > > > > Still misses the weight budget, and is $2000, but it has a smaller > > higher-res screen and meets all your other expectations. > > *splutter* http://www.aorus.com/Product/Spec/X3%20Plus%20v6 > overclocking to 4ghz, up to 32gb DDR4 2400mhz RAM, *dual* PCIe SSDs, > supports nvidia graphics cards up to *6* GB, 150 watt power supply, > does it _really_ take dual batteries? wtf this is a _monster_!! > > ... i love it. > > the fiscally-responsible thing to do would be to get a dell xps 13 > 9350. given that it's a path that's been trail-blazed already and > there are software libre developers out there who've bought it, gone > to the trouble of poking dell's support team with a stick, found out > how to disable the (Reference-Design-by-default) RAID setting on the > NVMe drives in the BIOS, and so on, it would be a lot less hassle. > > *however*.... thinking it through... the only reason i said "16GB > RAM" is because i didn't expect there to be *laptops* out there which > could take up to 32GB RAM. i made the mistake of getting not enough > memory once already. > > tell you what i'll do: i'm going to register on their forums and make > some enquiries. > > > > Sadly, you'll have to pay the Windows tax on either. :/ > > *grumbles*... > > > _______________________________________________ > > arm-netbook mailing list arm-netbook(a)lists.phcomp.co.uk > > http://lists.phcomp.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/arm-netbook > > Send large attachments to arm-netbook(a)files.phcomp.co.uk > > Actually, you don't have to pay the windows Tax on an XPS 13 or XPS 15. http://www.dell.com/us/business/p/xps-13-9360-laptop/pd?3x_nav=OS_BRAND%3DU… Try searching for Dell XPS developer edition, those are sold running Ubuntu instead of Windows. Here is a version of the XPS 13 with 16 GB of memory: http://www.dell.com/us/business/p/xps-13-9360-laptop/pd?oc=cax13ubuntuh5133…

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Nvidia jetson tx1
by Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton 04 Dec '16

04 Dec '16

https://developer.nvidia.com/embedded/downloads#?tx=$product,jetson_tx1$har… ooooooooo! includes hardware design fiiiles. at laaast, nvidia is Getting It. and it looks like according to this https://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/FeatureMatrix/ that the X1, which is a NV110 (maxwell family) should be supported by noveau. NV12B (GM20B) Tegra X1 ooooo, that's reaally excitiiing... l.

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RK3288 EOMA68 PCB
by Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton 04 Dec '16

04 Dec '16

http://hands.com/~lkcl/eoma/rockchip_rk3288/ http://rhombus-tech.net/rock_chips/rk3288/firefly/ for anyone who's interested, i've published the PDFs of both the 8-layer PCB and the schematics. i'm also documenting resources for installing mainline u-boot and linux kernel on the RK3288 firefly (t-firefly kindly sent me a developer board). apparently there are people who have installed debian stable on the firefly (for headless use) out-of-the-box, which is a really good sign. the RK3288 because it's a slightly older SoC which was used in the Asus C201 chromebook, it seems to have extremely prolific "HOWTOs" out there, as well as stable support in the official chromium kernel releases and a stack-load more. the only thing which is a complete utter pain: the 2nd USB controller (not the one that provides both 1 USB and 1 OTG port) has at least two known hardware bugs. first is: it doesn't support USB 1.1 devices (argh...) and second it doesn't come back up on resume. fortunately the *other* USB controller - the one that has 1 USB2 Host and 1 OTG port - works perfectly. on the firefly rk3288, i tried the OTG Host converter cables i have, plugged in a USB keyboard, up it came first time. i think the RK3288 would be an awesome choice for EOMA68, not least because it can do 4GB RAM. l.

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CE markings
by pelzflorian (Florian Pelz) 01 Dec '16

01 Dec '16

A colleague of a friend of mine had problems getting some electronics without CE marking through customs. Let me ask just to be on the safe side: I presume the EOMA68-A20 and casings will have CE markings as appropriate? Regards, Florian

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https://www.crowdsupply.com/sifive/hifive1
by Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton 30 Nov '16

30 Nov '16

another 32-bit RISC-V embedded controller. this one's 320mhz. sadly only 48 pins on this one otherwise i'd seriously consider using it in the 15in laptop PCB2. l. --- crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68

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Re: [Arm-netbook] arm-netbook Digest, Vol 76, Issue 18
by zap 28 Nov '16

28 Nov '16

On 11/28/2016 03:17 AM, arm-netbook-request(a)lists.phcomp.co.uk wrote: > Send arm-netbook mailing list submissions to > arm-netbook(a)lists.phcomp.co.uk > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.phcomp.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/arm-netbook > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > arm-netbook-request(a)lists.phcomp.co.uk > > You can reach the person managing the list at > arm-netbook-owner(a)lists.phcomp.co.uk > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of arm-netbook digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: arm-netbook Digest, Vol 76, Issue 17 (zap) > 2. Re: arm-netbook Digest, Vol 76, Issue 17 > (Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton) > 3. OT: The U.S. Needs to Stop Lecturing the Rest of the World > About Internet Values (Alexander Ross) > 4. Re: OT: The U.S. Needs to Stop Lecturing the Rest of the > World About Internet Values (Jonathan Frederickson) > 5. Re: OT: The U.S. Needs to Stop Lecturing the Rest of the > World About Internet Values (Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton) > 6. Re: OT: The U.S. Needs to Stop Lecturing the Rest of the > World About Internet Values (FaTony) > 7. Re: OT: The U.S. Needs to Stop Lecturing the Rest of the > World About Internet Values (Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2016 18:05:05 -0500 > From: zap <calmstorm(a)openmailbox.org> > To: arm-netbook(a)lists.phcomp.co.uk > Subject: Re: [Arm-netbook] arm-netbook Digest, Vol 76, Issue 17 > Message-ID: <583B66A1.8070200(a)openmailbox.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > On 11/27/2016 02:00 PM, arm-netbook-request(a)lists.phcomp.co.uk wrote: >> Send arm-netbook mailing list submissions to >> arm-netbook(a)lists.phcomp.co.uk >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://lists.phcomp.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/arm-netbook >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> arm-netbook-request(a)lists.phcomp.co.uk >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> arm-netbook-owner(a)lists.phcomp.co.uk >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of arm-netbook digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. A few questions, (zap) >> 2. Re: A few questions, (Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2016 14:33:23 -0500 >> From: zap <calmstorm(a)openmailbox.org> >> To: arm-netbook(a)lists.phcomp.co.uk >> Subject: [Arm-netbook] A few questions, >> Message-ID: <5839E383.80201(a)openmailbox.org> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >> >> Correct me if i am wrong, but you said in your latest update that 4 >> gigabytes of ram may be a possibility in the future yes? >> >> Or am I misunderstanding? >> >> The other question though I wondered was it says on some of your >> delivery dates march or something like that, >> >> I just wondered how long it takes from the time I order for the day it >> would arrive, >> >> also, when exactly is the printed for you, instructions/videos coming out of curiosity? >> >> for the record I didn´t know you had a mailing list for the longest time. >> >> but thanks for telling me. >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2016 19:45:41 +0000 >> From: Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton <lkcl(a)lkcl.net> >> To: Linux on small ARM machines <arm-netbook(a)lists.phcomp.co.uk> >> Subject: Re: [Arm-netbook] A few questions, >> Message-ID: >> <CAPweEDwiTdngDMR0Tupuv35WSRsQ6ZM=ALNX9-eUJAn0J__Jxg(a)mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 >> >> hiya zap welcome to the list: thanks for agreeing to post this publicly. >> >> >> On Sat, Nov 26, 2016 at 7:33 PM, zap <calmstorm(a)openmailbox.org> wrote: >>> Correct me if i am wrong, but you said in your latest update that 4 >>> gigabytes of ram may be a possibility in the future yes? >> on the RK3288 board only, yes. most ARM SoCs are hard-limited to a >> maximum of 2GB external DDR addressing: the RK3288 is literally the >> only one i've found so far that can even do 4GB. reason: it was >> designed as a medium-level chromebook processor. >> >> to clarify and make absolutely clear: you will NEVER get an A20 SoC with above 2GB of RAM. > > If that's the case, I guess I can safely assume that 4gb is in the > future maybe for a different processor but not the near future and not > for the current a20 processor. > > > >>> The other question though I wondered was it says on some of your >>> delivery dates march or something like that, >>> >>> I just wondered how long it takes from the time I order for the day it >>> would arrive, >> i honestly cannot say. i did the best i could estimate however >> within even just a couple of weeks of the campaign ending i reached >> out to an associate to confirm the previous arrangement of staying in >> taiwan to help him out (and save costs)... and his arrangements had >> changed. >> >> so really, best thing: keep an eye on the updates, and just go with it :) > Okay I already have been as you can guess by my interest. > > > > >>> also, when exactly is the printed for you, instructions/videos coming out of curiosity? >> when i'm making up the 12-or-so for the individuals that pledged for >> fully-assembled ones. in other words i have 12 opportunities to make >> the videos :) >> >> however as this is a libre project, i already started some basic >> instructions if you want to get stuck in early - just bear in mind i >> need to bring the CAD python source up-to-date relative to the current >> PCB changes. so you'll be printing stuff out that will *not* fit the >> current PCBs and components okay? however you will not need to throw >> all of the parts out, just re-print a few of them. >> >> https://www.youmagine.com/designs/libre-hardware-licensed-parametric-laptop… > > > >>> for the record I didn´t know you had a mailing list for the longest time. >> i would say "it's right there on the page" but i actually had to >> search for it myself (and it's a looong page). yeah this is a >> long-running project. > Okay my bad. > > > >> l. >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Subject: Digest Footer >> >> _______________________________________________ >> arm-netbook mailing list >> arm-netbook(a)lists.phcomp.co.uk >> http://lists.phcomp.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/arm-netbook >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> End of arm-netbook Digest, Vol 76, Issue 17 >> ******************************************* > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2016 00:12:12 +0000 > From: Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton <lkcl(a)lkcl.net> > To: Linux on small ARM machines <arm-netbook(a)lists.phcomp.co.uk> > Subject: Re: [Arm-netbook] arm-netbook Digest, Vol 76, Issue 17 > Message-ID: > <CAPweEDwpLBXxbzc5vcf0BqnpmvpiM7CFp1z4nLPBt5BEvrKjDQ(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > ah, just some rules (which are common practice and have been well > established for over two decades) when subscribing in digest mode: cut > the context, otherwise you force everbody (over 600 people in this > instance) to trawl through extraneous stuff that they've already read, > looking for the few percentage points on a line-by-line basis for what > you've written. > > an example of doing that is demonstrated below. which i was forced to > do, myself, as you didn't do it. > > >>> to clarify and make absolutely clear: you will NEVER get an A20 SoC with above 2GB of RAM. >> >> If that's the case, I guess I can safely assume that 4gb is in the >> future maybe for a different processor but not the near future and not >> for the current a20 processor. > yes. that's why the update said specifically "4GB is planned for the > RK3288" and no other processor. if there existed any other processor > capable of doing 4GB of RAM i would specifically have mentioned it. > > even the latest intel tablet-targetted SoCs (the ones that have now > been terminated because nobody buys them because they're shit) have > two variants: one which maxes out at 2GB RAM and one which maxes out > at 8GB. Oh on another interesting note btw, not that you will be doing this in the near future, but I read on trisquel forums that I guess I am not the only one who wants, another size option. such as 11, 10 or 7. My preference is between 10-13 inches. But I just wanted to make sure you knew that I wasn't the only one. Although, I had a thought, at some point maybe make a poll to see how many people want a smaller size and who would be willing to buy one. THIS is a THOUGHT, I just wanted to put out there. Feel free to deny my request if you don't have the time at the moment, but whenever you can find time, it would be a good idea. >>>> for the record I didn´t know you had a mailing list for the longest time. >>> i would say "it's right there on the page" but i actually had to >>> search for it myself (and it's a looong page). yeah this is a >>> long-running project. >> Okay my bad. > nono - there's been so much going on it's easy to miss things. > > l. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2016 01:27:00 +0000 > From: Alexander Ross <maillist_arm-netbook(a)aross.me> > To: Linux on small ARM machines <arm-netbook(a)lists.phcomp.co.uk> > Subject: [Arm-netbook] OT: The U.S. Needs to Stop Lecturing the Rest > of the World About Internet Values > Message-ID: <dbb6066b-dcff-c3db-c113-628d33c24485(a)aross.me> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > off topic: > > I’m finding this insightful as to why luke was treated the way he was by > a number of allwinner :( people: > > http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/future_tense/2016/11/the_u_s_shoul… > > bit in particular i just read: > > " > Just as one man’s freedom fighter is another man’s terrorist, one > country’s “soft power” is another’s weaponized values and existential > threat. Because Americans see their values and interests as essentially > benign, they completely miss how those abroad interpret what seem like > harmless acts. (The Chinese and the Russians read Soft Power: The Means > to Success in World Politics, too, and they’re on to you.) Furthermore, > much of the Chinese and Russian political class believe the West’s > insistence on democracy and human rights is not merely distasteful and > unnecessary, but a concerted way to weaken and destabilize them. As it > is, Chinese Communist Party cadres are instructed by party bosses to be > vigilant against “American efforts to overthrow the communist system > through ‘peaceful evolution’—that is, the spread of Western ideas and > culture.” Now imagine what the turbo-freedom of America’s global > internet looks like to them. > > Actually, you don’t have to imagine it. In 2011, two years after > President Obama’s town hall meeting with future Chinese leaders in > Shanghai, the state-run newspaper China People’s Daily editorialized > about the United States’ deployment of shadow networks in authoritarian > countries: “The US State Department has carefully framed its support of > such projects as promoting free speech and human rights, but it is clear > that the policy is aimed at destabilizing national governments.” It > called Tor—software that helps people mask their location—“a weapon in a > covert cyber war intended to maintain the US’ global dominance.” > " > > LOL teaching to population that the tool that helps them is in fact the > enemy, classic. the us funded tor cus a sub department needed such a > tool too. while other departments hate it :) > > ...but yes the powers that be speak BS about freedom,etc when they them > selfs are promoting the surveillance - the never forget state. it will > be logged, it will be jugged. the citizens will be given a treat level > to the state and status quo rating. or some other named way of > categorisation. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2016 20:46:46 -0500 > From: Jonathan Frederickson <silverskullpsu(a)gmail.com> > To: Linux on small ARM machines <arm-netbook(a)lists.phcomp.co.uk> > Subject: Re: [Arm-netbook] OT: The U.S. Needs to Stop Lecturing the > Rest of the World About Internet Values > Message-ID: > <CAAyzKeNMG01a-LQLXV_6boSpzrhY6oJci8Yh5naEbHhAtQc8hw(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > >>> Actually, you don’t have to imagine it. In 2011, two years after >>> President Obama’s town hall meeting with future Chinese leaders in >>> Shanghai, the state-run newspaper China People’s Daily editorialized >>> about the United States’ deployment of shadow networks in authoritarian >>> countries: “The US State Department has carefully framed its support of >>> such projects as promoting free speech and human rights, but it is clear >>> that the policy is aimed at destabilizing national governments.” It >>> called Tor—software that helps people mask their location—“a weapon in a >>> covert cyber war intended to maintain the US’ global dominance.” >>> " >> LOL teaching to population that the tool that helps them is in fact the >> enemy, classic. the us funded tor cus a sub department needed such a >> tool too. while other departments hate it :) > Yeah. I think this speaks to just how hard it is to see different > perspectives, even on the internet where there are (in theory) no > borders. As a US citizen it's clear to me that politicians here are > wary of privacy-preserving technologies like Tor. (And PGP and OTR - > hello crypto wars!) Overseas maybe that's less apparent. > > Of course this could all be the result of complex plots within the US > government and foreign governments, but I tend to believe that it's > more just a lack of exposure to different cultural values. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2016 02:12:03 +0000 > From: Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton <lkcl(a)lkcl.net> > To: Linux on small ARM machines <arm-netbook(a)lists.phcomp.co.uk> > Subject: Re: [Arm-netbook] OT: The U.S. Needs to Stop Lecturing the > Rest of the World About Internet Values > Message-ID: > <CAPweEDxhHJ-reaOmCnjmq_a_LLEATfS5=cffiFMrCf_Qq5FkRQ(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > --- > crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68 > > > On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 1:46 AM, Jonathan Frederickson > <silverskullpsu(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> Of course this could all be the result of complex plots within the US >> government and foreign governments, but I tend to believe that it's >> more just a lack of exposure to different cultural values. > very much so, i feel. in essence: no one size fits all, and now we > see even emerging countries are beginning to wake up to the massive > over-reach and destruction of sovereignty that the U.S. has been > undertaking for decades. the key point of the fascinating and rather > long article [1] is that various small countries are viewing U.S. > diplomatic and political efforts finally for what it is: extremist > imperialist domination. unfortunately they're not the only country > that's historically manipulated entire [small] countries, but the > point is we kiiinda expect it to *be* history... not still happening > *right now*. > > now, i'm not one for just "complaining": there's enough of that crap > going on already. i very much like to also suggest actual solutions, > and in this instance there happens to be a perfect fit: look up > someone called "robert david steele". there's an extremely good > article about him in 2014 by the guardian [2]. he started the "open > source intelligence" movement. a quote: > > Today’s capitalism, he argues, is inherently predatory and destructive: > > “Over the course of the last centuries, the commons was fenced, and > everything from agriculture to water was commoditised without regard > to the true cost in non-renewable resources. Human beings, who had > spent centuries evolving away from slavery, were re-commoditised by > the Industrial Era.” > > huh. how about that. someone else who recognises that "employment" > is nothing more than a rebadged, re-introduced form of slavery. don't > believe me? if you're a software engineer actually READ your > employment contract. paying particular attention to the intelligence > enslavement clauses. the ones that say that your employer owns > absolutely everything that you do, think and say. if it wasn't > enslavement, you would be REWARDED in direct proportion to the value > of the work that you provide. you don't: you get paid a quotes fair > wage quotes. fuck off if you actually want *shock horror* shares in > the company! > > yyeah.... > > holy fuck i had no idea: "the west supports 42 of 44 [world] dictators". > > > [1] http://m.journal-neo.org/2016/11/09/philippines-triggers-asian-tectonic-shi… > [2] https://www.theguardian.com/environment/earth-insight/2014/jun/19/open-sour… > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2016 03:51:00 +0000 > From: FaTony <fatony(a)fatony.net> > To: Linux on small ARM machines <arm-netbook(a)lists.phcomp.co.uk> > Subject: Re: [Arm-netbook] OT: The U.S. Needs to Stop Lecturing the > Rest of the World About Internet Values > Message-ID: <e4ba7c0a-1775-777f-26c3-a00c0e2bdca5(a)fatony.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > >> Furthermore, >> much of the Chinese and Russian political class believe the West’s >> insistence on democracy and human rights is not merely distasteful and >> unnecessary, but a concerted way to weaken and destabilize them. > Here's a view from inside of Russia. Russian TV is full of anti-west > propaganda. Every day I hear ppl discussing how some bad stuff is > happening in US, Europe or Ukraine and how Russian patriotism and > Orthodox Church are the foundation upon which you should live. > > But it is forbidden to talk about Russian issues. Anyone who dares gets > sued, arrested, tortured or killed. Russian authorities use a blacklist > of sites and do DPI to make sure that nobody will find a way to > opposition sites that bring up Russian issues. They also have the legal > capacity to store all internet traffic for 6 months. > > Nowadays, about 90% of my traffic goes through Tor or VPN because > there's simply no other way to get information. > > But most people don't care about these issues, they are simply trying to > survive and not die of starvation. There is no hope in fixing this from > the inside, Russia as a country has no future. NATO should invade and > grab all the western territories while China will surely grab Siberia. > >

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Re: [Arm-netbook] arm-netbook Digest, Vol 76, Issue 17
by zap 28 Nov '16

28 Nov '16

On 11/27/2016 02:00 PM, arm-netbook-request(a)lists.phcomp.co.uk wrote: > Send arm-netbook mailing list submissions to > arm-netbook(a)lists.phcomp.co.uk > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.phcomp.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/arm-netbook > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > arm-netbook-request(a)lists.phcomp.co.uk > > You can reach the person managing the list at > arm-netbook-owner(a)lists.phcomp.co.uk > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of arm-netbook digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. A few questions, (zap) > 2. Re: A few questions, (Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2016 14:33:23 -0500 > From: zap <calmstorm(a)openmailbox.org> > To: arm-netbook(a)lists.phcomp.co.uk > Subject: [Arm-netbook] A few questions, > Message-ID: <5839E383.80201(a)openmailbox.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Correct me if i am wrong, but you said in your latest update that 4 > gigabytes of ram may be a possibility in the future yes? > > Or am I misunderstanding? > > The other question though I wondered was it says on some of your > delivery dates march or something like that, > > I just wondered how long it takes from the time I order for the day it > would arrive, > > also, when exactly is the printed for you, instructions/videos coming out of curiosity? > > for the record I didn´t know you had a mailing list for the longest time. > > but thanks for telling me. > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2016 19:45:41 +0000 > From: Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton <lkcl(a)lkcl.net> > To: Linux on small ARM machines <arm-netbook(a)lists.phcomp.co.uk> > Subject: Re: [Arm-netbook] A few questions, > Message-ID: > <CAPweEDwiTdngDMR0Tupuv35WSRsQ6ZM=ALNX9-eUJAn0J__Jxg(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > hiya zap welcome to the list: thanks for agreeing to post this publicly. > > > On Sat, Nov 26, 2016 at 7:33 PM, zap <calmstorm(a)openmailbox.org> wrote: >> Correct me if i am wrong, but you said in your latest update that 4 >> gigabytes of ram may be a possibility in the future yes? > on the RK3288 board only, yes. most ARM SoCs are hard-limited to a > maximum of 2GB external DDR addressing: the RK3288 is literally the > only one i've found so far that can even do 4GB. reason: it was > designed as a medium-level chromebook processor. > > to clarify and make absolutely clear: you will NEVER get an A20 SoC with above 2GB of RAM. If that's the case, I guess I can safely assume that 4gb is in the future maybe for a different processor but not the near future and not for the current a20 processor. >> The other question though I wondered was it says on some of your >> delivery dates march or something like that, >> >> I just wondered how long it takes from the time I order for the day it >> would arrive, > i honestly cannot say. i did the best i could estimate however > within even just a couple of weeks of the campaign ending i reached > out to an associate to confirm the previous arrangement of staying in > taiwan to help him out (and save costs)... and his arrangements had > changed. > > so really, best thing: keep an eye on the updates, and just go with it :) Okay I already have been as you can guess by my interest. >> also, when exactly is the printed for you, instructions/videos coming out of curiosity? > when i'm making up the 12-or-so for the individuals that pledged for > fully-assembled ones. in other words i have 12 opportunities to make > the videos :) > > however as this is a libre project, i already started some basic > instructions if you want to get stuck in early - just bear in mind i > need to bring the CAD python source up-to-date relative to the current > PCB changes. so you'll be printing stuff out that will *not* fit the > current PCBs and components okay? however you will not need to throw > all of the parts out, just re-print a few of them. > > https://www.youmagine.com/designs/libre-hardware-licensed-parametric-laptop… >> for the record I didn´t know you had a mailing list for the longest time. > i would say "it's right there on the page" but i actually had to > search for it myself (and it's a looong page). yeah this is a > long-running project. Okay my bad. > l. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > arm-netbook mailing list > arm-netbook(a)lists.phcomp.co.uk > http://lists.phcomp.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/arm-netbook > > > ------------------------------ > > End of arm-netbook Digest, Vol 76, Issue 17 > *******************************************

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A few questions,
by zap 26 Nov '16

26 Nov '16

Correct me if i am wrong, but you said in your latest update that 4 gigabytes of ram may be a possibility in the future yes? Or am I misunderstanding? The other question though I wondered was it says on some of your delivery dates march or something like that, I just wondered how long it takes from the time I order for the day it would arrive, also, when exactly is the printed for you, instructions/videos coming out of curiosity? for the record I didn´t know you had a mailing list for the longest time. but thanks for telling me.

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Have you checked out this Open Source RISC-V-based 32-bit μC?
by Peter Carlson 25 Nov '16

25 Nov '16

https://www.crowdsupply.com/onchip/open-micro

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EOMA68-RK3288 schematic PDF
by Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton 24 Nov '16

24 Nov '16

http://hands.com/~lkcl/eoma/rockchip_rk3288/EOMA68_RK3288_SCH_2016nov23.pdf datasheets as i find them are also in the same directory. with kind help from randy li i've been able to get the board done pretty quickly: i'm almost ready to submit it for first prototyping. i *may* go and visit rockchip before doing that, though. l. --- crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68

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EOMA68 laptop housing battery control
by Jonathan Frederickson 24 Nov '16

24 Nov '16

I'm curious, since unlike most laptops the computer is in a separate unit... is the charge level of the battery reported to the OS as it would be for a traditional laptop or phone? Would be interested to know if this is supported in general, only with certain CPU cards, or not at all.

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RK3288-EOMA68
by Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton 20 Nov '16

20 Nov '16

http://rhombus-tech.net/rock_chips/rk3288/news/First_Revision_EOMA68_RK3288… one of the maddest, most complex and densely-connected PCBs i've yet done... :) l. --- crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68

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RK3288
by Mike Leimon 16 Nov '16

16 Nov '16

Regarding the RK3288, allow me to redirect your attention to a page on the archlinuxARM website: https://archlinuxarm.org/platforms/armv7/rockchip/asus-chromebook-flip-c100p The ASUS Chromebook Flip uses the RK3288 processor and has at least some degree of support on the Linux side or I don't think the ArchlinuxARM guys would have been able to support the platform. Anyhow, perhaps you guys can find out some useful info from the associated installation and wiki pages for this system. -Mike

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RK3288
by Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton 15 Nov '16

15 Nov '16

i still have to write it up but i've discovered that it's possible to obtain PCB CAD files on taobao for the RK3288. with mike's help (and around $20) i've been working for the past 4 days on an EOMA68-RK3288 board. the RK3288 apparently supports up to 4GB of RAM, which is the primary reason why i'm looking at it at the same time as the nexell S5P6818 (which is 8-core but only does up to 2GB RAM). the RK3288 was apparently designed for chromebooks, hence the increased RAM. what's nice is that i have the assistance of an engineer who works for rockchip, thanks to an introduction. i'll be arranging to go visit their HQ in a few weeks, to say hello. l. --- crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68

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[Arm-netbook] https://apple.slashdot.org/story/16/11/14/1240245/china-threatens-to-cut-sales-of-iphones-and-us-cars-if-naive-trump-pursues-trade-war
by Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton 14 Nov '16

14 Nov '16

ok, so the two key areas that i've been focussed on - computing and vehicles - the new completely incompetent president (voted in by the american people) may have triggered the conditions i was anticipating, for which the EOMA initiative is PRECISELY designed to migitate. there is now some urgency to getting the EOMA68 designs out and into mass-production. it's not about what happens if china carries out this first threat, it's what happens long-term, both to china and to the rest of the world, if the U.S. President is stupid enough to think that U.S.-China trade is not absolutely critical to both countries (and to the rest of the world). to put this into immediate perspective: the EOMA68 project items that people have pledged for: those people in the USA may end up having to pay that 45% tariff. l. --- crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68

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eoma68-a20 v2.6 samples working
by Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton 05 Nov '16

05 Nov '16

briefly: samples are working, as is the micro-desktop v1.4 - still to confirm: hdmi, nand, 2gb memory and the eoma68 micro-sd. l.

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closed-source BootROM and RYF certification
by Parobalth 03 Nov '16

03 Nov '16

My original message went to moderation queue because it exceeded the allowed file size. So I am forwarding my message without the pdf attachment to the list. ----- Forwarded message from Parobalth <parobalth(a)gmail.com> ----- Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2016 20:13:10 +0200 From: Parobalth <parobalth(a)gmail.com> To: arm-netbook(a)lists.phcomp.co.uk Subject: closed-source BootROM and RYF certification User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) At the forum of NextThing Chip is a thread about Chip and a possible RYF certification. I wrote there that I think that is unlikely to happen and linked to https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68/micro-desktop/updates/fsf-ryf-background. Then someone else mentioned that a closed-source BootROM is used for Chip. Another guy with username "eaterjolly" wrote about this BootROM: "The same type of SOC is used for the EOMA croud project which is vying for ryf-endorsement quite openly [...]" You can find the forum thread here: https://bbs.nextthing.co/t/ntc-thoughts-on-ryf-endorsement/4490 Because they use Discourse to power their forum which relies heavily on JavaScript I also attach a Pdf version of the forum post. I wonder if the mentioned statements are correct and how it relates to the RYF certification of the EOMA68-A20 Libre Tea card. kind regards Paro ----- End forwarded message -----

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